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[Ichimaru Gin]

Chairs came off the worst from that whole exchange

Yeah. Pretty much this.

I'm not a fan of votes with no (or implied) explanations. I've heard people defend them though.

[Roadrunner7671]

This is the least Faust thing that this Faust has ever Fausted.

This.

Is this RR's first game also?

I actually like a vote: Haddock at this point. Something I hadn't thought of earlier was I can easily see newbie scum trying to get town points for projecting concern about quicklynches or something.
In my first scum (and in general) game, I recall playing up my newbieness to the point of garnering suspicion for it. I legitimately had a lot of questions and felt confused by stuff though, not sure what (if anything) I would have done differently if I'd been town my first game.

I don't mean to get myself lynched, but haven't I done that more than Haddock?

[Awaclus]

Lying as Town is generally considered to be just about always bad. It's probably less bad in this setup than average since we know what PRs we have. But it's still generally not advised.

Well, I think lying as town can be good quite often (in the same way that omitting information can be good quite often), but if you're lying about having a PR when you don't really have one, you really have to be extremely confident that the person who could counterclaim you will preferably realize what you're doing, and absolutely won't counterclaim or out himself even if he thinks you're scum, and that the gambit will surely pay off if it works (i.e. the PR you manage to protect by attracting the kill to yourself really has to be super crucial for town).

Lying about being a VT when you really are a PR is a lot more reasonable in many situations.

[Ichimaru Gin]

This is the least Faust thing that this Faust has ever Fausted.

This.

Is this RR's first game also?

I actually like a vote: Haddock at this point. Something I hadn't thought of earlier was I can easily see newbie scum trying to get town points for projecting concern about quicklynches or something.
In my first scum (and in general) game, I recall playing up my newbieness to the point of garnering suspicion for it. I legitimately had a lot of questions and felt confused by stuff though, not sure what (if anything) I would have done differently if I'd been town my first game.

I don't mean to get myself lynched, but haven't I done that more than Haddock?

Oh yeah. Those two thoughts kind of ran together. I should have separated them and clarified who I was referring to. You're right.

[Roadrunner7671]

Lying as Town is generally considered to be just about always bad. It's probably less bad in this setup than average since we know what PRs we have. But it's still generally not advised.

Well, I think lying as town can be good quite often (in the same way that omitting information can be good quite often), but if you're lying about having a PR when you don't really have one, you really have to be extremely confident that the person who could counterclaim you will preferably realize what you're doing, and absolutely won't counterclaim or out himself even if he thinks you're scum, and that the gambit will surely pay off if it works (i.e. the PR you manage to protect by attracting the kill to yourself really has to be super crucial for town).

Lying about being a VT when you really are a PR is a lot more reasonable in many situations.

And if you're scum, obviously claim VT, right?

[gkrieg13]

\inbefore "Coached to play up newbieness"

I can't remember... Is wanting to lynch newbies a town tell or a scumtell? If I can't remember that probably means it is neither.

But really I think it was a tow tell cause mafia wouldn't want to risk the wrath of town being upset that you would want to lynch a newbie. I think robs came up with that and it turned out it was generally correct.

EFHW was against my lynch the first game and that was what made me vig her.  I was correct.

[gkrieg13]

definitely still feeling a Faust lynch. Although ash has been much different this game.

[yuma]

What does different mean?

People keep using that term but what does it even mean? Different how? Different in a scummy way?

[Roadrunner7671]

Unvote: Faust

[Awaclus]

And if you're scum, obviously claim VT, right?

Depends on the situation. If you're about to get lynched, you might want to claim a PR, because then the real PR can counterclaim you and your partners will know who to shoot. If you're lucky, you might even manage to claim a PR that nobody can counterclaim, and then that might help you survive. OTOH, sometimes you might convince people of your towniness by fakeclaiming VT as scum, and VT is a pretty safe claim in mass claim situations.

[Roadrunner7671]

Okay. Goodnight all, I may be back in a few hours.

[Awaclus]

You just sleep for a few hours?

[Witherweaver]

Nah,

Vote: Faust

is where it's at.

[gkrieg13]

What does different mean?

People keep using that term but what does it even mean? Different how? Different in a scummy way?

Not really in a scummy way.  He just doesn't seem as abrasive.  Maybe that means he's town?  I was just watching him carefully when we were partners and he always had a plan.  He doesn't seem to have a concrete plan here.

[Roadrunner7671]

You just sleep for a few hours?

Yep

[ashersky]

Unvote: Faust

vote: Roadrunner7671

[Haddock]

OK, lots going on since I disappeared.

Firstly, it appears my original estimate of posting mid-afternoon forum time is going to be off, at least for the next few days, my girlfriend is in town meaning my posting will mostly be happening during the day GMT, ie. early morning forum time.  Just so everyone knows.

I want to make one thing clear.  At no point did I defend Faust.  I made one post about the people voting for Faust, asking them to contribute.  Now they are, so I'd say that original post has served its purpose.

As for "playing up my newbieness", I really wouldn't say I've done that.  One person asked me whether I was totally new, and I said I am, that's it.  And if you're counting my behaviour itself as intentionally acting newbie, well, see previous paragraph. 

[Haddock]

When I say disappeared, by the way, I mean "went to sleep".

[faust]

This is the least Faust thing that this Faust has ever Fausted.

This.

Is this RR's first game also?

I actually like a vote: Haddock at this point. Something I hadn't thought of earlier was I can easily see newbie scum trying to get town points for projecting concern about quicklynches or something.
In my first scum (and in general) game, I recall playing up my newbieness to the point of garnering suspicion for it. I legitimately had a lot of questions and felt confused by stuff though, not sure what (if anything) I would have done differently if I'd been town my first game.

Hey! You are not allowed to agree with me.

[faust]

And if you're scum, obviously claim VT, right?

In this setup, probably.

[faust]

Nah,

Vote: Faust

is where it's at.

Ah. Because I'm not fausting faust enough things?

[Haddock]

Catching up:

Witherweaver seems a bit all over the place, like he's acting torn about whether to vote for me or Faust.  I dunno, feels genuine.
Ichi seems pretty towny to me.
In the absence of a better read, I'm going to vote: chairs.  I don't like his unexplained votes.
Jimmm seems to be being quite firm about things in general.  Can people confirm that this is him usually?

[Roadrunner7671]

Vote: ashersky

[ashersky]

I can't remember... Is wanting to lynch newbies a town tell or a scumtell? If I can't remember that probably means it is neither.

But really I think it was a tow tell cause mafia wouldn't want to risk the wrath of town being upset that you would want to lynch a newbie. I think robs came up with that and it turned out it was generally correct.

Robz wanted to lynch a newbie in M10, my first game.  We lynched him for it because we thought it was scummy.  I was town, so was he.

Since then, we've always given newbies a pass early in the game, and due to that, there's always been a "play up your newbieness" thing for newbie scum.

[Roadrunner7671]

I can't remember... Is wanting to lynch newbies a town tell or a scumtell? If I can't remember that probably means it is neither.

But really I think it was a tow tell cause mafia wouldn't want to risk the wrath of town being upset that you would want to lynch a newbie. I think robs came up with that and it turned out it was generally correct.

Robz wanted to lynch a newbie in M10, my first game.  We lynched him for it because we thought it was scummy.  I was town, so was he.

Since then, we've always given newbies a pass early in the game, and due to that, there's always been a "play up your newbieness" thing for newbie scum.

One could argue that I was 'playing up my noobiness,' but how was I supposed to know that scum does that?