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[ashersky]

this one

That's a phenomenal post, and possibly the best one in the game up to this point.

You are just salty because you don't like me, my plans, and the fact that I win regardless of your opinion.

Plans are necessarily scummy because we don't know the planner's alignment, remember?

Correct.  And I have no plan, therefore I'm an IC.

Cool, I never have a plan, so I'm always an IC.

Pretty sure that makes us Masons.

[Witherweaver]

I can't wait for the obligatory IG vs. faust fight.

When you two are scum together, it'll be neat to see if you can fake it.

Vote: Ashersky for some reason I can't explain.

Probably jealousy.

Do you think it'd be alright if I just crashed here tonight?

[Witherweaver]

this one

That's a phenomenal post, and possibly the best one in the game up to this point.

You are just salty because you don't like me, my plans, and the fact that I win regardless of your opinion.

Plans are necessarily scummy because we don't know the planner's alignment, remember?

Correct.  And I have no plan, therefore I'm an IC.

Cool, I never have a plan, so I'm always an IC.

Pretty sure that makes us Masons.

Pretty sure our PM made us Masons.

[Jimmmmm]

It's also trivial to figure out what's optimal as far as switches go from a theory standpoint, so unless scum don't think things through, we already know what they'll do.

But, I mean, regardless of the existence of a doctor switch, for example, why wouldn't the doctor target someone anyway?  That's what I mean by the switches are poop.

Vote: ashersky

I already told everyone not to talk about the switches. Explaining why they're trivial is talking about them.

You having "told everyone not to talk" about anything is a great reason to talk about it, given you are likely to be scum.

No, it's not.

You even made a "just in case I'm scum I'm announcing a meta change pre-game" post.

What's your point?

Also, talking about the setup helps us get out of RVS, which is stupid.  I'm also the only player here that's ever played the setup, and as scum no less, so maybe what I have to say is relevant.  And most relevant is: the switches are poop.

I agree that talking about the setup helps get us out of RVS, so it's unfortunate that talking about the setup is pro-scum.

TLDR: Basically, I don't care what you said.  I don't take orders from you.  Switches = poop.

I wasn't saying you should have done what I said. I'm saying we were basically saying the same thing (don't worry about switches), but at the same time you were worrying about switches.

PPE 37 (I went away and came back to this post.)

[Jimmmmm]

Also, about the setup:

yuma and I might be the only players left alive on f.ds that played this the first time it was run here (or was yuma the mod?).  I was scum there and from what I recall, the switches made zero difference.  We lost because of claims, but had a nice run with first-timer Qvist taking the first-ever MVP for a losing side.

All this to say: the switches mean poop.  PRs play like PRs play.

No the switches were meaningless because we lynched galz, the sk, day1 on a derphammer by me and I barely survived getting lynched on day2 for it... So the mafia just permanently left the switches in their favor and all prs were useless, or something like that...

Hey look, someone else talking about the switches, and being generally useful.

Boo Jimmmmm.

How does it help us lynch scum?

[Jimmmmm]

And they have all been voted for on the back of just Random/jokey reasons.

To be fair, Jimmmmm is voting me because I didn't listen to his totalitarian instructions.  That's not "random/jokey" at all.

This is false.

[ashersky]

I wasn't saying you should have done what I said. I'm saying we were basically saying the same thing (don't worry about switches), but at the same time you were worrying about switches.

This wasn't my takeaway from your post and our conversation.  So that's a misunderstanding on my part, I guess.  I thought you were saying "shhh...don't take about the setup or bad things will happen..."

If you had said "don't worry about the switches" that would have been super clear and great and easy.  Because, as noted, the switches are basically poop.

So, if we're in agreement, I rescind my other stuff about you.

[ashersky]

Pretty sure our PM made us Masons.

Fakeclaiming masons, I see.

[ashersky]

I can't wait for the obligatory IG vs. faust fight.

When you two are scum together, it'll be neat to see if you can fake it.

Vote: Ashersky for some reason I can't explain.

Probably jealousy.

Do you think it'd be alright if I just crashed here tonight?

Also +9001 for a Gin Blossoms reference.  One of the most underrated bands of the 90s.

[pacovf]

Vote Count 1.1

Faust (4): Gkrieg13, Roadrunner7671, Ichimaru Gin, Hydrad
Ichimaru Gin (1): chairs
silverspawn (1): ashersky
ashersky (5): Jimmmmm, Faust, Awaclus, silverspawn, Witherweaver

Not Voting (2): Haddock, Yuma

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

D1 ends October 22 at 7 pm forum time.

I wish I could edit posts!

[faust]

The ash wagon is actually bad.

Vote: silverspawn

[Haddock]

I do now understand, I think, the reason why people find Ash scummy. But I'm not convinced yet, and that was a fairly big wagon for so early.
So imma sheep faust for now, cos from the games I've read that seems to be how to win games.  vote: ss

[Witherweaver]

The ash wagon is actually bad.

Vote: silverspawn

Fair enough.

Vote: Faust

[Haddock]

Ummm ok. Can everyone who voted for faust in like the first fifteen posts or so just come check themselves? Suddenly that wagon is looking a bit massive now, and those early votes were definitely not reason-based, so could probably be changed.

[Jimmmmm]

Ummm ok. Can everyone who voted for faust in like the first fifteen posts or so just come check themselves? Suddenly that wagon is looking a bit massive now, and those early votes were definitely not reason-based, so could probably be changed.

Why are you so worried?

[Witherweaver]

Ummm ok. Can everyone who voted for faust in like the first fifteen posts or so just come check themselves? Suddenly that wagon is looking a bit massive now, and those early votes were definitely not reason-based, so could probably be changed.

Why are you so worried?

Seconded.

[Hydrad]

I do now understand, I think, the reason why people find Ash scummy. But I'm not convinced yet, and that was a fairly big wagon for so early.
So imma sheep faust for now, cos from the games I've read that seems to be how to win games.  vote: ss

sheeping faust is one of my favorite strats.

[Haddock]

Ummm ok. Can everyone who voted for faust in like the first fifteen posts or so just come check themselves? Suddenly that wagon is looking a bit massive now, and those early votes were definitely not reason-based, so could probably be changed.

Why are you so worried?

Cos I'd like, eventually, for us to have reasons for lynching somebody. If everyone voting for faust has a reason, then great. Otherwise we have a not-insignificant wagon on somebody, formed by essentially random chance.

[gkrieg13]

Ummm ok. Can everyone who voted for faust in like the first fifteen posts or so just come check themselves? Suddenly that wagon is looking a bit massive now, and those early votes were definitely not reason-based, so could probably be changed.

Why are you so worried?

Cos I'd like, eventually, for us to have reasons for lynching somebody. If everyone voting for faust has a reason, then great. Otherwise we have a not-insignificant wagon on somebody, formed by essentially random chance.

Well now I have a reason.

[Jimmmmm]

Ummm ok. Can everyone who voted for faust in like the first fifteen posts or so just come check themselves? Suddenly that wagon is looking a bit massive now, and those early votes were definitely not reason-based, so could probably be changed.

Why are you so worried?

Cos I'd like, eventually, for us to have reasons for lynching somebody. If everyone voting for faust has a reason, then great. Otherwise we have a not-insignificant wagon on somebody, formed by essentially random chance.

Who do we have a good reason to vote for?

[Haddock]

Ok great. As long as you have a reason, go for it.

Care to share that reason, or not? I'd be genuinely interested.

Ummm ok. Can everyone who voted for faust in like the first fifteen posts or so just come check themselves? Suddenly that wagon is looking a bit massive now, and those early votes were definitely not reason-based, so could probably be changed.

Why are you so worried?

Cos I'd like, eventually, for us to have reasons for lynching somebody. If everyone voting for faust has a reason, then great. Otherwise we have a not-insignificant wagon on somebody, formed by essentially random chance.

Who do we have a good reason to vote for?

We dont necessarily,  right now. But we might do later. Im just trying to stop us getting carried away too early, weve still got time.

[gkrieg13]

You're weird defending of him.  Especially without defending ash.

[Ichimaru Gin]

I can't wait for the obligatory IG vs. faust fight.

When you two are scum together, it'll be neat to see if you can fake it.

But we were scum together in...I think flavorless? We were doing pretty solid up until the end too iirc.

did anyone miss me?

I did! vote: IG

ty.


And what else. Awaclus is Awaclus, I don't really have an opinion there yet.

Ummm ok. Can everyone who voted for faust in like the first fifteen posts or so just come check themselves? Suddenly that wagon is looking a bit massive now, and those early votes were definitely not reason-based, so could probably be changed.

I view this post as one of three possibilities.
1. New player (Is Haddock new to Mafia in general?) being concerned about something that's actually not concerning.
2. Scum defending their partner in a pretty blatant fashion.
3. Scum attempting to reinforce suspicion on someone else by trying to get votes off of them for no reason.

[chairs]

vote: haddock

[Haddock]

I view this post as one of three possibilities.
1. New player (Is Haddock new to Mafia in general?) being concerned about something that's actually not concerning.
2. Scum defending their partner in a pretty blatant fashion.
3. Scum attempting to reinforce suspicion on someone else by trying to get votes off of them for no reason.

Yes, this is my first ever game of forum mafia. Im not sure im concerned, as such, I just want people on faust to contribute, since they're on the biggest wagon.

I did say im not convinced by the ash thing, so yeah if that comes back ill have something to say. The difference is that the people who were on Ash were still actively contributing.