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[Roadrunner7671]

What happens if you Counterfeit a HoP? Can you gain two victory cards?

[iguanaiguana]

What happens if you Counterfeit a HoP? Can you gain two victory cards?

1) you play the horn of plenty twice, then you trash it.
2) yes.

[Awaclus]

It's worth noting that if you gain a Victory card on your first play, the HoP is no longer in play so it doesn't count towards the number of unique cards for the second play.

[GendoIkari]

Follow all instructions, in order, literally:

• Play Counterfeit
  
  • Play Horn of Plenty
    
    • Gain a card costing up to the number of differently named cards you have in play, including Counterfeit and Horn of Plenty. Let's say you had 5 different cards. You gain a Duchy.
    • Horn of Plenty says it gets trashed because you gained a victory card, so you trash Horn of Plenty.
  • Play Horn of Plenty a second time
    
    • Gain a card costing up to the number of differently named cards you have in play. This includes Counterfeit, but Horn of Plenty is no longer in play, so it doesn't count (assuming you didn't have another one from before). You can only gain a $4 or less. You gain an Estate.
    • Horn of Plenty says it gets trashed because you gained a vp card. You try to trash it, but fail, because it has lost track, and it's already in the trash.
  • Counterfeit says to trash Horn of Plenty. You try to do so, but fail, because it has lost track of it, and it's already in the trash.
• Buy cards if you want, you have the $1 from Counterfeit, and any other coins you had from the turn, and an extra buy from Counterfeit.

[Jack Rudd]

For more juicy goodness, try Counterfeiting a Horn of Plenty, and using it to gain a Mandarin and an Inn. Counterfeit tries to trash the Horn of Plenty, but fails because it doesn't know where it is, and neither do you.

[iguanaiguana]

For more juicy goodness, try Counterfeiting a Horn of Plenty, and using it to gain a Mandarin and an Inn. Counterfeit tries to trash the Horn of Plenty, but fails because it doesn't know where it is, and neither do you.

This makes me want to design a kingdom where something like this could actually be a good tactical move. It doesn't seem too far fetched given a few other support cards. Maybe stables so that you have draw and want treasures in your deck...

[Davio]

Beware when Counterfeiting Horn of Plenty that HoP is no longer in play when you gain something (because you trashed it) and doesn't count toward your number of different cards.
So if you have 7 cards in play and are counting on HoP being number 8, don't use Counterfeit to trash it!

[Awaclus]

Beware when Counterfeiting Horn of Plenty that HoP is no longer in play when you gain something (because you trashed it) and doesn't count toward your number of different cards.
So if you have 7 cards in play and are counting on HoP being number 8, don't use Counterfeit to trash it!

Actually that's not quite right. Counterfeit doesn't trash the HoP until you've already gained the two cards. So, you could still Counterfeit a HoP to gain a Province and a Duchy (but not two Provinces because the HoP trashes itself after the first one).

[Deadlock39]

Beware when Counterfeiting Horn of Plenty that HoP is no longer in play when you gain something (because you trashed it) and doesn't count toward your number of different cards.
So if you have 7 cards in play and are counting on HoP being number 8, don't use Counterfeit to trash it!

Actually that's not quite right. Counterfeit doesn't trash the HoP until you've already gained the two cards. So, you could still Counterfeit a HoP to gain a Province and a Duchy (but not two Provinces because the HoP trashes itself after the first one).

Exactly.

Another example would be, (if HoP is your 8th unique card and you are Counterfeiting it) you could use it to gain a Prince and then a Province, but you could not use it to gain a Province and then a Prince.

[GendoIkari]

Beware when Counterfeiting Horn of Plenty that HoP is no longer in play when you gain something (because you trashed it) and doesn't count toward your number of different cards.
So if you have 7 cards in play and are counting on HoP being number 8, don't use Counterfeit to trash it!

Actually that's not quite right. Counterfeit doesn't trash the HoP until you've already gained the two cards. So, you could still Counterfeit a HoP to gain a Province and a Duchy (but not two Provinces because the HoP trashes itself after the first one).

Exactly.

Another example would be, (if HoP is your 8th unique card and you are Counterfeiting it) you could use it to gain a Prince and then a Province, but you could not use it to gain a Province and then a Prince.

I'm guessing you'd need some specific edge cases to make it so that gaining a Prince and a Province is the right move, over gaining 2 of either of them.

[AJD]

Beware when Counterfeiting Horn of Plenty that HoP is no longer in play when you gain something (because you trashed it) and doesn't count toward your number of different cards.
So if you have 7 cards in play and are counting on HoP being number 8, don't use Counterfeit to trash it!

Actually that's not quite right. Counterfeit doesn't trash the HoP until you've already gained the two cards. So, you could still Counterfeit a HoP to gain a Province and a Duchy (but not two Provinces because the HoP trashes itself after the first one).

Exactly.

Another example would be, (if HoP is your 8th unique card and you are Counterfeiting it) you could use it to gain a Prince and then a Province, but you could not use it to gain a Province and then a Prince.

I'm guessing you'd need some specific edge cases to make it so that gaining a Prince and a Province is the right move, over gaining 2 of either of them.

You really want to play Followers every turn.

[Simon (DK)]

Beware when Counterfeiting Horn of Plenty that HoP is no longer in play when you gain something (because you trashed it) and doesn't count toward your number of different cards.
So if you have 7 cards in play and are counting on HoP being number 8, don't use Counterfeit to trash it!

Actually that's not quite right. Counterfeit doesn't trash the HoP until you've already gained the two cards. So, you could still Counterfeit a HoP to gain a Province and a Duchy (but not two Provinces because the HoP trashes itself after the first one).

Exactly.

Another example would be, (if HoP is your 8th unique card and you are Counterfeiting it) you could use it to gain a Prince and then a Province, but you could not use it to gain a Province and then a Prince.

I'm guessing you'd need some specific edge cases to make it so that gaining a Prince and a Province is the right move, over gaining 2 of either of them.

There's only 1 Province left, and you need Prince for your Fairgrounds.
Or there's only 1 Prince left.

[Marcory]

You have just gotten a Tournament from the Black Market. Naturally, you want to Prince it and need a Province. You have a deck that can be drawn every turn but doesn't yet produce $8, (you got the HoP/Counterfeit from Mine or Taxman or some such), so you want to Prince the tournament next turn but also want to have a Province available. Don't ask me when such a scenario would actually occur; maybe with University or something.

[Davio]

Beware when Counterfeiting Horn of Plenty that HoP is no longer in play when you gain something (because you trashed it) and doesn't count toward your number of different cards.
So if you have 7 cards in play and are counting on HoP being number 8, don't use Counterfeit to trash it!

Actually that's not quite right. Counterfeit doesn't trash the HoP until you've already gained the two cards. So, you could still Counterfeit a HoP to gain a Province and a Duchy (but not two Provinces because the HoP trashes itself after the first one).

Oh yeah, that's what I meant, you get $1 less for the second play.
But then again HoP already trashes itself when you gain a VP card.

[iguanaiguana]

You have just gotten a Tournament from the Black Market. Naturally, you want to Prince it and need a Province. You have a deck that can be drawn every turn but doesn't yet produce $8, (you got the HoP/Counterfeit from Mine or Taxman or some such), so you want to Prince the tournament next turn but also want to have a Province available. Don't ask me when such a scenario would actually occur; maybe with University or something.

Or it could just be a colony game... You want to prince the tournament so that it is more likely to collide with your province every shuffle, and having more than one province would be bad self junking.

[werothegreat]

Sorry to necro, but what's really getting me is that Horn of Plenty says "per differently named card you have in play, counting this."  So if I Counterfeit HoP, the second play should still count HoP, even if I gained a Victory card the first time, because HoP explicitly says to count itself.

[LastFootnote]

Sorry to necro, but what's really getting me is that Horn of Plenty says "per differently named card you have in play, counting this."  So if I Counterfeit HoP, the second play should still count HoP, even if I gained a Victory card the first time, because HoP explicitly says to count itself.

Well it still only counts if it's actually in play. 

[GendoIkari]

Sorry to necro, but what's really getting me is that Horn of Plenty says "per differently named card you have in play, counting this."  So if I Counterfeit HoP, the second play should still count HoP, even if I gained a Victory card the first time, because HoP explicitly says to count itself.

Well it still only counts if it's actually in play. 

Right, the "counting this" means "consider this card when looking at all the different unique cards that you have in play." So you do consider it. Then you reject it, because it isn't in play.

[mameluke]

Sorry to necro, but what's really getting me is that Horn of Plenty says "per differently named card you have in play, counting this."  So if I Counterfeit HoP, the second play should still count HoP, even if I gained a Victory card the first time, because HoP explicitly says to count itself.

It's a misprint. Donald really meant it to say, "per differently named card you have in play, Counting House."

[transportowiec96]

Why nobody told me a card such as "Counterfiet" exists?

[Haddock]

i before e except... shit.