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[skip wooznum]

Please think about being kinder.

Why should he think about being children?

which language are you referencing?

[Awaclus]

Please think about being kinder.

Why should he think about being children?

which language are you referencing?

English (the German loan word).

[horatio83]

Tell me, why are you correct over many other people who have been playing longer? Sure, it might not be a logical argument on it's own, but it's good circumstantial evidence when everyone else is shooting you down that you MIGHT be wrong.

Ehm, I made ample of arguments and do not see how I am less polite than some other posters in here. By the way, "because the majority says so" is no argument. So why don't you tell me why you are right and actually make soem arguments of your own instead of just hiding behind the majority opinion?

[skip wooznum]

Please think about being kinder.

Why should he think about being children?

which language are you referencing?

English (the German loan word).

Interesting, i was not aware it was an English word

[LastFootnote]

Please think about being kinder.

Why should he think about being children?

which language are you referencing?

English (the German loan word).

Interesting, i was not aware it was an English word

It's not. I'm not sure what Awaclus is talking about. "Kindergarten" is a borrowed word in English, but "Kinder" (meaning children) is most definitely not widely used.

[Awaclus]

It's not. I'm not sure what Awaclus is talking about. "Kindergarten" is a borrowed word in English, but "Kinder" (meaning children) is most definitely not widely used.

I agree that it's not widely used, but it's still a word.

[Co0kieL0rd]

It's not. I'm not sure what Awaclus is talking about. "Kindergarten" is a borrowed word in English, but "Kinder" (meaning children) is most definitely not widely used.

I agree that it's not widely used, but it's still a word.

Here's another random funny thing. There's a somewhat outdated term in German for a small child, Dreikäsehoch, which literally translates to "three cheese high". Now isn't that just cute?

[LastFootnote]

It's not. I'm not sure what Awaclus is talking about. "Kindergarten" is a borrowed word in English, but "Kinder" (meaning children) is most definitely not widely used.

I agree that it's not widely used, but it's still a word.

Yes. A German word. Find me any English dictionary that has it. The ones I've looked in don't.

[Awaclus]

It's not. I'm not sure what Awaclus is talking about. "Kindergarten" is a borrowed word in English, but "Kinder" (meaning children) is most definitely not widely used.

I agree that it's not widely used, but it's still a word.

Yes. A German word. Find me any English dictionary that has it. The ones I've looked in don't.

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/kinder#Etymology_2

[LastFootnote]

It's not. I'm not sure what Awaclus is talking about. "Kindergarten" is a borrowed word in English, but "Kinder" (meaning children) is most definitely not widely used.

I agree that it's not widely used, but it's still a word.

Yes. A German word. Find me any English dictionary that has it. The ones I've looked in don't.

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/kinder#Etymology_2

Touché.

But still, "kinder" is no more an English word than any other non-English word that people will occasionally sprinkle into their English sentences. Certainly it's not widely used in the U.S., and from what I can tell it's not widely used in the UK either.

[skip wooznum]

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Well done, me.

[liopoil]

I've definitely heard kinder used in a normal English setting to mean young child. It's as much of an English word as any other word we use in everyday life which is borrowed directly from another language.

[eHalcyon]

I've definitely heard kinder used in a normal English setting to mean young child. It's as much of an English word as any other word we use in everyday life which is borrowed directly from another language.

I've never heard it used that way.  Well, one major exception -- Kinder Surprise eggs.  There are definitely other directly-borrowed words that are arguably "more" of an English word now.  Ballet, antique, aficionado, doppelganger...

[Seprix]

Topic successfully derailed.

Well done, me.

Thank you.

[LastFootnote]

Topic successfully derailed.

Well done, me.

You've derailed the topic from its previous derailment. I'm not sure whether that's more or less of an accomplishment, but well done.

[Drab Emordnilap]

Kindergarten is an English word, that is a compound word containing Kinder. Close?

[liopoil]

I've definitely heard kinder used in a normal English setting to mean young child. It's as much of an English word as any other word we use in everyday life which is borrowed directly from another language.

I've never heard it used that way.  Well, one major exception -- Kinder Surprise eggs.  There are definitely other directly-borrowed words that are arguably "more" of an English word now.  Ballet, antique, aficionado, doppelganger...

I mean, those words are just more commonly used. That doesn't make them more of an English word.

[LastFootnote]

I've definitely heard kinder used in a normal English setting to mean young child. It's as much of an English word as any other word we use in everyday life which is borrowed directly from another language.

I've never heard it used that way.  Well, one major exception -- Kinder Surprise eggs.  There are definitely other directly-borrowed words that are arguably "more" of an English word now.  Ballet, antique, aficionado, doppelganger...

I mean, those words are just more commonly used. That doesn't make them more of an English word.

It doesn't? Why not? What does make a word more or less an English word apart from usage?

[eHalcyon]

I've definitely heard kinder used in a normal English setting to mean young child. It's as much of an English word as any other word we use in everyday life which is borrowed directly from another language.

I've never heard it used that way.  Well, one major exception -- Kinder Surprise eggs.  There are definitely other directly-borrowed words that are arguably "more" of an English word now.  Ballet, antique, aficionado, doppelganger...

I mean, those words are just more commonly used. That doesn't make them more of an English word.

I think somebody else LF mentioned it already, but "kinder" meaning "child" isn't common in dictionaries either.  If you search on dictionary.com, for example, you only get the definitions for "kind".

Edit: I guess you could argue that being English or not is just a binary value, but I don't think it's a good argument.  Language is fuzzy, and there isn't one overriding authority that determines what is or is not a word in a language.  Usage is the driving force.

[Co0kieL0rd]

I think somebody else LF mentioned it already, but "kinder" meaning "child" isn't common in dictionaries either.  If you search on dictionary.com, for example, you only get the definitions for "kind".

That is because "kinder" is plural. Do English speakers use this word as a singular? That seems very odd to me but I guess you can't help the evolution of loan words in foreign languages.

[Asper]

Mais a foreign expression isn't automatically une loan word just because people understand what it means, non?

You will find a whole bunch of foreign words in most dictionnaires that you'd never consider an active part of a language, mon chér.

[Awaclus]

Mais a foreign expression isn't automatically une loan word just because people understand what it means, non?

You will find a whole bunch of foreign words in most dictionnaires that you'd never consider an active part of a language, mon chér.

I wasn't sure if "kinder" with a lower case k could count as the German word, though.

[eHalcyon]

I think somebody else LF mentioned it already, but "kinder" meaning "child" isn't common in dictionaries either.  If you search on dictionary.com, for example, you only get the definitions for "kind".

That is because "kinder" is plural. Do English speakers use this word as a singular? That seems very odd to me but I guess you can't help the evolution of loan words in foreign languages.

You won't find a definition for kinder meaning "children" in most dictionaries either.  The point is that most English speakers don't use this word at all, never mind plural or singular.