Anyway I like what UoS is doing here. Vote: Seprix.
4th vote in that super early Seprix wagon. So early in the game that I don't think it makes them less likely to be partners, but worth noting.
In Flavourless, Seprix was scum. He was jokey, considered D1 is pointless and random, he was very eager to get joseph (first wagon) lynched, then kinda backed off super quickly when it turned out bad for him. It's kinda similar from what is happening here, but one would guess that he would have mixed things up if he was scum again. Besides, I can't really compare with his town meta, I haven't really been following the recent games.
His argument on Seprix allows him to move off him (he votes mail-mi in that post) without taking a strong stance on him either.
What is your position on Mail-mi, again? I recall you saying that you didn't really feel like voting for him now.
This is adressed to Seprix, who was basically calling mail-mi scummy without actually voting. Coaching maybe ? Not super strong though.
@pacovf re: Awaclus being a similar case to mail-mi. That's a good point, though I think Awaclus is much more likely to flip scum. But yeah, he's a meh day 1 lynch for the same reasons as mail-mi... and you'll notice he's not my preferred one.
There's a fundamental difference between the two: Awaclus would strictly be a lurker lynch. That means no accountability whatsoever if we lynch him. Nobody voting for mail-mi is doing so because of his lack of content, it's because what little there is, is scummy, so they won't be able to deflect responsibility tomorrow (should he happen to flip town).
That being said, I don't like the way Awaclus has been lurking. Most lurkers are just passive, not checking the game all that often, then posting a quick thought or two when they log in. Awaclus has been following the game closely, and just choosing not to post anything. Normally I would argue very strongly against a D1 lurker lynch, but I wouldn't feel so strongly about it in this specific case. Still, I would prefer a lynch elsewhere.
The problem is that you offer three lynches. WW and skip are town, IMHO, and Awaclus is a lurker lynch. So there's no common ground between our positions.
This is where we get into the thick of it. Of course there's a town narrative for this, and pacovf has provided it. But there's also a strong scum narrative, and it's stronger for pacovf than anyone else alive (at least for day 1). asically by saying Awaclus is a lurker lynch with no accountability, he's washing his hands of the lynch himself : if the lynch doesn't have accountability, he doesn't have to be held accountable himself for not being on it. Granted the Awaclus wagon was very small (either one or two votes, not a lot of vote counts around there) at the time, but still, any lurker on day 1 is vulnerable, and pacovf had to be aware of this if he was scum, and was thus offering another, better lurker lynch in mail-mi. And when I say lurker lynch, I don't mean "lynching someone solely for being a lurker" here, I just means "lynching someone who happens to be a lurker", which is always easier on day 1 than lyncing active players.
Is anyone voting (or wanting to vote) for Awaclus for a reason other than him lurking? If he flips town, are you all going to throw your hands up in the air and say "but he was lurking!"?
I'm all up for lynching lurkers... starting on D2. Otherwise, I would rather lynch someone that actually gets us somewhere even if he flips town. Own your votes, people!
4 votes on Awaclus at this point.
Again, I haven't had the time to reread Awaclus, but while UoS is really persuasive, the case against Awaclus is still just that he is lurking. Lurker lynches are bad in D1, because if he flips town, we have next to nothing. I would totally be for an Awaclus lynch for D2 (assuming nothing better comes up from the flips), because he has earned it many times over, but I don't think I want to lynch him today.
5 votes on Awaclus.
That's basically it for day 1. There's a post where he expresses surprise about Awaclus claiming VT? but then everyone was surprised about that since he had softclaimed a PR earlier.
DAY 2
There's more after this, won't quote it all because I want to go watch the Tour de France so I'm speeding this up a bit.
Above is pacovf defending his day 1 play (quoting it here so that he doesn't have to reiterate everything).
Basically it's this : while pacovf has a town narrative, and it's easy to believe it because he's been active, he also has a stronger scum narrative than anyone else on day 1. mail-mi and skip have decent ones as well, but mail-mi looks better when looking at interactions and skip looks better based on play alone. The way skip's play is townie is much harder to replicate than the way pacovf's play is townie, which is why I think pacovf is the better lynch.
WHAT TIME IS IT?
REREADING TIME
Won't quote the whole thing because it's huge and you can just click on it, but he's laying some heavy suspicion on Seprix on it, among others. But he also points out the L-2 Awaclus vote on Seprix, which leads us here :
So, from the Awaclus lynch, ADK and Seprix look absolutely horrible. UoS is guaranteed town, WW is very likely to be town too, and Teproc and chairs look pretty good (the former for inciting an Awaclus lynch, but unfortunately only voting very late; the latter for decisive votes, the first of which being quite weird).
From the WW wagon, ADK and chairs look bad, and I don't think anyone looks particularly good.
Then there's mail-mi, who has been completely absent from this game. I don't think I can say I have a case on him anymore, but I could be ok with a lurker!mail-mi lynch later on (thank God, now when people will accuse me of inciting a lurker-lynch, they will be right!). Skip Wooznum just fits a town playstyle too well for me to want to lynch him with the weak evidence against him.
Awaclus made a pretty ballsy vote on Seprix back when he had a wagon on him, so considering both wagons, and between ADK and Seprix, I definitely prefer vote: ADK.
Between Seprix and ADK then, but he chooses ADK. Of course town can do this, because hey, it was a reasonable choice, but still, convenient position for scum to be in, because he can switch gears at any point.
Awaclus made a pretty ballsy vote on Seprix back when he had a wagon on him, so considering both wagons, and between ADK and Seprix, I definitely prefer vote: ADK.
I think you're giving too much weight to the Seprix wagon. It was very, very early on in the day, and I know we've had some day 1 quicklynches recently, but it was still unlikely to go all the way. I suppose it's worth some town cred for Seprix, but his interactions with Awaclus so perfectly fit what I'd expect from a scumpartner that I can't overlook it.
Well, I am just using Occam's razor. Seprix looks a bit worse than ADK from his interactions with Awaclus, but it becomes a toss up between the two when you consider WW's wagon*. So Awaclus's early vote on Seprix tips the scales towards ADK. I would still be happy with a Seprix lynch, though.
*Yes, I know that wagons on town are not as informative as wagons on scum, and that we aren't 100% sure that WW is town. That doesn't mean we should ignore it.
ADK is a good lynch as well, not my preferred but I'll join it if needed. His interactions with Awaclus are more subtle but that's to be expected since ADK is more experienced. It's just that when you lynch scum on day 1, I think the simplest answer tends to be the right one (and here the simplest answers are Seprix and pacovf).
Considering our playstyles, do you really think that ADK being more subtle here is actually so good an argument that you put him on an entirely different willing-to-lynch category than Seprix and I?
Honestly, after finishing the reread, ADK seems quite a bit scummier than I am, but then again, I am terribly biased.
People need to stop giving massive towncred for just doing work btw. People like pacovf will absolutely do that as scum, especially when their day 1 interactions are as damning as they are here. It's fine to give some towncred for it (it's a big reason why I prefer lynching Seprix to pacovf), but just like mail-mi lurking doesn't mean he's scum, pacovf (or me, or WW etc.) doing rereads doesn't mean they're town.
Can we ignore this perfectly good point you are raising just because it would serve me? 
More of the same, and that last quote of mine is still relevant so there.
Sure, we can wait, don't worry.
In the meantime, Seprix, care to defend yourself or put your vote down somewhere?
Looks a bit partner-y, though Seprix wasn't the main wagon at that point, so meh.
I'm not too focused on the game. ADK and Pacovf could be announcing they're scum and I wouldn't know. College is hard 
...did Seprix just concede the game here?
Not sure what that's about, I don't know why pacovf would read that as a confession, regardless of his alignement. Maybe someone else can make something of it ?
I see what UoS is saying regarding scum!mail-mi but I don't think you go that route as scum.
I think in Awaclus's position you avoid mentioning your partner entirely or toss a meaningless vote on them to throw off suspicion... which is to say, Seprix now looks scummier to me.
When Awaclus voted for Seprix, it was L-2, and the wagon was quickly growing. Granted, it was very early, but still.
I prefer an ADK lynch to a Seprix one, but would be happy with either. A mail-mi lynch would be fine too.
I would like to hear ADK's defense before we lynch anyone, but I am not averse to people getting votes down already. Especially Seprix and mail-mi (skip is not happening today).
One thing I'm noticing in this reread is how consistent pacovf's reads are. Which, in case you're wondering, is not that townie. This is probably me looking at it with scum-colored glasses though at this point, as I'm fairly convinced.
vote: Seprix, the things you are saying are just way too weird. L-1?
Seprix was indeed being a little weird, speculating openly about ADK's role (because of the whole scumslip discussion). Not sure why that warranted the vote but ADK had just done a reread, maybe pacovf felt the wind was blowing in Seprix's way at that point, since he was at 4 votes with ADK at 3 (including pac).
Then Seprix claims, and pacovf is the one who pokes holes in it. I think those holes would have been found either way, but could maybe has bought Seprix a day if I and others had been lazy. That still deserves some towncred from pacvof, he certainly didn't have to do that. But if he thinks Seprix is going to be lynched, he's going to need to grab all the towncred he can get, because he has to get through 3 mislynches at that point, so the scum narrative is definitely there. Again, I can't really look at this objectively now, I'm pretty convinced, but this doesn't dissuade me.
And there's a bit more left but it's less relevant. I might get back to it at some point, but seriously guys, they're getting into the Pyrénées right now.
vote: pacovfI will reread skip and mail-mi next, but I'm prety certain we should lynch pacovf today.
PPE : With chair's vote, that's L-1.
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