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[skip wooznum]

Meant this:

I didn't miss that. I was pointing out that you were making an empty post about the setup, and was using strongman to refer to the role in general. I feel like that should be obvious but whatever.

according to your own account, we should interpret your post to say "skip points out there's at least a one-shot strongman." This is downright false, I didn't point that out. So what I think happened is that you scumslipped.

[A Drowned Kernel]

vote: Seprix, the things you are saying are just way too weird. L-1?

this was a bad vote. Seprix says weird things. Deal with it.

PPE: I'm not intending to hammer right now, but go for it. Also I'm going to bed for real now.

this is way worse. Of course he shouldn't claim. We're nowhere near deadline and I think a bunch of people want to lynch you anyway. And he was only third on your scumlist anyway. If you hadnt already scumslipped I think this is bad enough by itself.

PPE

You are correct that he shouldn't have claimed, and I apologize for having said so. You are not correct that I scumslipped, because I am not scum.

I was going over posts and writing things down as I saw them. I was making a point about you making an empty post, and didn't spell things out completely explicitly. So sue me.

All this makes me think you're probably town anyway, so I'm ready to vote: pacovf

[skip wooznum]

Its worthless for me to keep saying the same thing but you still haven't responded to the point ive made at least twice.

[silverspawn]

Vote Count 2.4

Seprix (5): Teproc, chairs, UmbrageOfSnow, mail-mi, pacovf {L-1}
pacovf (2): Witherweaver, A Drowned Kernel
A Drowned Kernel (2): skip wooznum, Seprix

Not Voting (1): Hydrad

With 10 alive, it takes 6 to lynch. Day 2 ends at Jul 4, 7 PM Forum Time.

[Teproc]

unvote for now. Scum has every incentive to claim but Cop is powerful, might be worth lynching someone else.

skip : scumslips arguments are not as strong as you think they are. "Scumslips" have come from town at least as often as the have from scum.

[Teproc]

Will be back later, don't have time for more now. Basicall our choice is :

- lynch someone else scummy, which runs into the risk of drawing out another claim and put us in an uncomfortable situation
- lynch Seprix through the claim, but there's a slight chance that we lose a cop which, if he is one, is likely our strongest PR left.

[Hydrad]

right may as well keep seprix alive. I believe the claim for now.

[chairs]

unvote

[skip wooznum]

Will be back later, don't have time for more now. Basicall our choice is :

- lynch someone else scummy, which runs into the risk of drawing out another claim and put us in an uncomfortable situation
- lynch Seprix through the claim, but there's a slight chance that we lose a cop which, if he is one, is likely our strongest PR left.

you think theres only a slight chance he's telling the truth?

unvote for now. Scum has every incentive to claim but Cop is powerful, might be worth lynching someone else.

[skip wooznum]

skip : scumslips arguments are not as strong as you think they are. "Scumslips" have come from town at least as often as the have from scum.

I know. And I promise I dont just run around looking for scumslips, though this game may give impressions otherwise. But instead of talking about the comparative merits of scumslip arguments in general, id much rather you explain to me how you believe adk's defense of it this time.

[silverspawn]

Witherweaver has been replaced by hockeysemlan.

[silverspawn]

Vote Count 2.5

Seprix (3): UmbrageOfSnow, mail-mi, pacovf
pacovf (2): hockeysemlan, A Drowned Kernel
A Drowned Kernel (2): skip wooznum, Seprix

Not Voting (3): Hydrad, Teproc, chairs

With 10 alive, it takes 6 to lynch. Day 2 ends at Jul 4, 7 PM Forum Time.

[mail-mi]

unvote I believe seprix.

[UmbrageOfSnow]

I don't really believe Seprix.

He didn't understand how cop actually worked

Another option is that ADK could be a cop? If I'm not mistaken, they can find out roles, right?

Then again, he also didn't get why a townie could know for sure there was a non-1-shot strongman without it being a scumslip.

And with 50% of the remaining scum being godfathers, cop isn't as strong as it sometimes is.

Still, I think we should leave Seprix alive for today, the non-Godfather scum may feel pressure to take this decision off our hands, and if not Seprix can start creating a better not-Godfather pool.

Once the Godfather is dead, the strongman has to take him out or die by POE.  If Seprix lives past a certain point we can safely lynch fakeclaim!Seprix then, which is better than now.

Oh, I just said "strongman" was that a scumslip?  No.  No it was not.

Vote: Pacovf

[UmbrageOfSnow]

Also, come on Mail-mi, you can do better than that.

I really don't like Mail-mi's commitment to not even trying.  Like I just don't understand why you're even signing up for these games.  You're not even trying to be helpful here.

I get the impression only WW and I are interested in voting Mail-mi, and I want to get a lynch decision reached in the next couple of days before we get to the holiday weekend.  But can we  please, PLEASE not let Mail-mi get away with this crap for the whole rest of the game guys?  I mean what if we go to LYLO with Mail-mi.  If we let him coast that far the game is a coin flip.  He's just daring us to never lynch him because "scum wouldn't do that"  but I think scum absolutely would lurk and say "might as well just lynch me".  And I'm worried the town who make it to the endgame are just going to give him a pass.

I do not understand why a VT claim, a commitment to unhelpfulness, and "sure, go ahead and lynch me" should be worth towncred.  Do we give towncred for self-voting too?

[hockeysemlan]

Ah, the replacement has been announced..

Hi everyone! Trying to catch up the best I can, keep doing whatever it is your doing in the meantime. If you want to give me heads up about your thoughts on me /WW I appreciate it.

[Seprix]

Also, come on Mail-mi, you can do better than that.

I really don't like Mail-mi's commitment to not even trying.  Like I just don't understand why you're even signing up for these games.  You're not even trying to be helpful here.

I get the impression only WW and I are interested in voting Mail-mi.

I'm down for lynching him now, and I'm not alone in that regard.

[Seprix]

Ah, the replacement has been announced..

Hi everyone! Trying to catch up the best I can, keep doing whatever it is your doing in the meantime. If you want to give me heads up about your thoughts on me /WW I appreciate it.

That reminds me. Why did WW leave? If I'm asking an unethical question, sorry.

[UmbrageOfSnow]

Seprix, if you really are a cop, please investigate one of our collective top lynch targets that we don't lynch today.  So if we lynch Pacovf, investigate Mail-m.  If we lynch Mail-mi, investigate Pacovf, etc.  Report results at the start of each day so we have them out there.

If you're really a cop we need you to investigate the targets most useful in process of elimination in the event we lynch the Godfather.  i.e. the mislynches we could most likely avoid, who are unlikely to be NK'd.

[Seprix]

Seprix, if you really are a cop, please investigate one of our collective top lynch targets that we don't lynch today.  So if we lynch Pacovf, investigate Mail-m.  If we lynch Mail-mi, investigate Pacovf, etc.  Report results at the start of each day so we have them out there.

If you're really a cop we need you to investigate the targets most useful in process of elimination in the event we lynch the Godfather.  i.e. the mislynches we could most likely avoid, who are unlikely to be NK'd.

Assuming I don't die.

[UmbrageOfSnow]

Ah, the replacement has been announced..

Hi everyone! Trying to catch up the best I can, keep doing whatever it is your doing in the meantime. If you want to give me heads up about your thoughts on me /WW I appreciate it.

Hi Hockey, welcome to the game.

I'm townreading your slot, but don't let that make you lazy please.  Why is that your first question though?

If you're really asking "am I in danger of being lynched right now" the answer is no.  We're lynching Mail-mi, Pacovf or mayyyybbe Seprix who just claimed cop or ADK who finally decided to step it up and play the game.

Mail-mi is a lurker lynch, but it's such a good lurker lynch.  Pacovf has really bad interactions with lynched scum!Awaclus, but on the other hand he's actually participating in the game.  That's roughly what today's decision is going to be at this point I think.

[UmbrageOfSnow]

Assuming I don't die.

It's not a bad assumption to make.  There are plenty of good NK targets for scum and we might have a doctor.  And no offense, but if you are a real cop, you're more likely to be disbelieved and lynched through it than, for example, Hydrad.  And the Godfather has nothing to fear from you.

Play the game like you're going to see tomorrow.  The odds are reasonable that you will.

[Seprix]

Assuming I don't die.

It's not a bad assumption to make.  There are plenty of good NK targets for scum and we might have a doctor.  And no offense, but if you are a real cop, you're more likely to be disbelieved and lynched through it than, for example, Hydrad.  And the Godfather has nothing to fear from you.

Play the game like you're going to see tomorrow.  The odds are reasonable that you will.

Got it. I'll scout out whoever we don't lynch who is in second place, then.

[Teproc]

Will be back later, don't have time for more now. Basicall our choice is :

- lynch someone else scummy, which runs into the risk of drawing out another claim and put us in an uncomfortable situation
- lynch Seprix through the claim, but there's a slight chance that we lose a cop which, if he is one, is likely our strongest PR left.

you think theres only a slight chance he's telling the truth?

unvote for now. Scum has every incentive to claim but Cop is powerful, might be worth lynching someone else.

I would expect scum!Seprix to claim here, and Cop is probably the best fakeclaim for scum ? It's either that or a 1-Shot, but Cop works even better, because there's upside for us not to lynch him even if we don't fully believe him, as evidenced by, well, my position here. chairs is also an interesting choice, as it's someone who would have been an understandable cop target given that many suspected him at the end of day 1, but it's suspected much now, so it's not like he's actually removing anyone from the lynch pool. The more I think about it, the more this claim seems too neat to be true actually.

Yeah, way too neat. My argument for not lynching him was that a Cop is a real problem for scum here, because if he lives they're going to get PoEd to death, especially if we manage to lynch the Godfather. But the more I think about it, the more this looks like a fakeclaim to me, especially considering the confusion about Cop/Rolecop earlier.

vote: Seprix

@UoS, re : mail-mi. Don't lynch anti-town, lynch scum. I'm not particularly convinced mail-mi is town, but there are other people I find much scummier.

[Teproc]

Ugh. Quoting is hard guys. Hopefully you get the gist of it.