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Re: M64: Pony-Mafia Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #800 on: June 27, 2015, 11:07:10 pm »

Why does that look bad for Pac but not for you?

Wait, actually, I'm confused on who said what there.
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Re: M64: Pony-Mafia Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #801 on: June 27, 2015, 11:27:11 pm »

I think this is what that mess of quotes is supposed to look like.

Is it just me or does this ww/teproc fight seem a tad scum vs. scum?
If we assume that WW (and Teproc) are town, this doesn't look so good, but meh, I just think skip fits a town narrative so much better.
Is it just me or does this ww/teproc fight seem a tad scum vs. scum?
The only way to know for sure is to lynch one of them.
Heh. This looks really, really bad today.

bad because it now looks like they're both town and he's trying to get one lynched, or because it looks like he's slipping that he knows they're both town?
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Re: M64: Pony-Mafia Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #802 on: June 27, 2015, 11:29:52 pm »

Wait, there is a better way to do this.

Is it just me or does this ww/teproc fight seem a tad scum vs. scum?

If we assume that WW (and Teproc) are town, this doesn't look so good, but meh, I just think skip fits a town narrative so much better.

The only way to know for sure is to lynch one of them.

Heh. This looks really, really bad today.

bad because it now looks like they're both town and he's trying to get one lynched, or because it looks like he's slipping that he knows they're both town?
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Re: M64: Pony-Mafia Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #803 on: June 27, 2015, 11:32:20 pm »

Damn it.

Quotes are hard.

Anyway, I think (both Skip and Pacovf, I'm not even sure anymore) are both reading way to much into "only way to know for sure is to lynch one of them."  How do you know for sure if someone is scum?  You lynch them.  Why do you guys think there is more to it than that.  (Do you both think that, I don't know now.)
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Re: M64: Pony-Mafia Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #804 on: June 27, 2015, 11:35:23 pm »

@WW: What exactly do you want to look far with regards to Mail-mi and the wagon on Awaclus?  Is there any way I can help with that, I've got a lot of internet and free time tonight.

@Hydrad: Can we get some IC thoughts in here please?
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Re: M64: Pony-Mafia Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #805 on: June 27, 2015, 11:49:22 pm »

@WW: What exactly do you want to look far with regards to Mail-mi and the wagon on Awaclus?  Is there any way I can help with that, I've got a lot of internet and free time tonight.

@Hydrad: Can we get some IC thoughts in here please?

Well my thought was that if Awaclus' partners didn't want to bus, they'd have to look to alternative wagons.  Town!Mail-Mi would be a natural choice (though, perhaps too obvious).  I guess (glancing back through the pages) the votes weren't on him, but I think people were willing to go back on him.  (Note: Did most Awaclus votes move from Mail-Mi?)  So if Mail-Mi didn't have anyone diverting from Awaclus to him, it's an indication that he's not town. 

I don't know, though, maybe there's nothing there. 
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Re: M64: Pony-Mafia Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #806 on: June 27, 2015, 11:53:04 pm »

Damn it.

Quotes are hard.

Anyway, I think (both Skip and Pacovf, I'm not even sure anymore) are both reading way to much into "only way to know for sure is to lynch one of them."  How do you know for sure if someone is scum?  You lynch them.  Why do you guys think there is more to it than that.  (Do you both think that, I don't know now.)
adk implied we would know for sure if it was scum v scum or wasn't after lynching one of them. That's different than saying we'd know for sure if someone is scum or not after lynching him in quite an obvious way.
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Re: M64: Pony-Mafia Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #807 on: June 27, 2015, 11:55:26 pm »

I think this is what that mess of quotes is supposed to look like.


Is it just me or does this ww/teproc fight seem a tad scum vs. scum?
The only way to know for sure is to lynch one of them.
Heh. This looks really, really bad today.

bad because it now looks like they're both town and he's trying to get one lynched, or because it looks like he's slipping that he knows they're both town?
and yes this is what I meant basically. Sorry about the confusion.
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Re: M64: Pony-Mafia Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #808 on: June 27, 2015, 11:56:03 pm »

I think that the requirement to make the civility pledge should be replaced by a quoting workshop  ;D


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Is it just me or does this ww/teproc fight seem a tad scum vs. scum?

The only way to know for sure is to lynch one of them.

Heh. This looks really, really bad today.
bad because it now looks like they're both town and he's trying to get one lynched, or because it looks like he's slipping that he knows they're both town?

Bad because it looks like they are both town and he just wanted to lynch any of them.

I understand your scumslip argument, but a scumslip that requires the potential scum to be perfectly on top of the De Morgan's Law is not a very strong scumslip argument.

I'm not too focused on the game. ADK and Pacovf could be announcing they're scum and I wouldn't know. College is hard :(

...did Seprix just concede the game here?
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Re: M64: Pony-Mafia Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #809 on: June 27, 2015, 11:56:16 pm »

Hm, I think that's just as likely (or more likely) misspeaking as it is a "scumslip". 
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Re: M64: Pony-Mafia Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #810 on: June 27, 2015, 11:56:44 pm »

I'm not too focused on the game. ADK and Pacovf could be announcing they're scum and I wouldn't know. College is hard :(

...did Seprix just concede the game here?

...No...? What does that even mean?
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Re: M64: Pony-Mafia Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #811 on: June 27, 2015, 11:57:24 pm »

...did Seprix just concede the game here?

Go read the last day of Adventures Mafia~
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Re: M64: Pony-Mafia Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #812 on: June 28, 2015, 12:02:07 am »

Man, I'm still upset about that game.
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Re: M64: Pony-Mafia Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #813 on: June 28, 2015, 12:03:09 am »

I'm not too focused on the game. ADK and Pacovf could be announcing they're scum and I wouldn't know. College is hard :(

...did Seprix just concede the game here?

...No...? What does that even mean?

You are announcing that we shouldn't really expect you to follow the game. This is despite you seeming like one of the most probably lynches of today. The only reason I can see for this is that you are scum that knows he is in an unwinnable position.

...did Seprix just concede the game here?

Go read the last day of Adventures Mafia~

Which one is that? What do I have to look for?
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Re: M64: Pony-Mafia Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #814 on: June 28, 2015, 12:06:01 am »

It looked like Seprix was basically admitting to being scum, but turned out town.
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Re: M64: Pony-Mafia Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #815 on: June 28, 2015, 12:06:25 am »

Every point I've tried to make has been debunked or torn apart, so obviously no one needs my opinion on anything this game. :p
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Re: M64: Pony-Mafia Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #816 on: June 28, 2015, 12:14:46 am »

I understand your scumslip argument, but a scumslip that requires the potential scum to be perfectly on top of the De Morgan's Law is not a very strong scumslip argument.
what is De Morgan's law?
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Re: M64: Pony-Mafia Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #817 on: June 28, 2015, 12:16:36 am »

I understand your scumslip argument, but a scumslip that requires the potential scum to be perfectly on top of the De Morgan's Law is not a very strong scumslip argument.
what is De Morgan's law?

Not (A and B) = (Not A) or (Not B)
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Re: M64: Pony-Mafia Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #818 on: June 28, 2015, 12:22:10 am »

Giving something a fancy name doesn't stop it from being intuitive
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Re: M64: Pony-Mafia Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #819 on: June 28, 2015, 12:27:27 am »

I don't think he was considering all the logical ramifications of his post, but was just going with something that was "close enough".
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Re: M64: Pony-Mafia Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #820 on: June 28, 2015, 12:32:54 am »

I don't think he was considering all the logical ramifications of his post, but was just going with something that was "close enough".
maybe. But if thats true then I have no issue with his post at all. I dont think he actually wanted one of them lynched, I read the post as a joke.
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Re: M64: Pony-Mafia Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #821 on: June 28, 2015, 01:26:14 am »

I'll try to post more. But me being an IC has benifits and negatives.

Good part is that people spend no time discussing how scummy I am!

bad part is i'm not a very good person to lead and trust reads. But i'll try to work on that.

UoS and teproc still feel really good though.

I'll try to post a more indepth post soonish.
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Re: M64: Pony-Mafia Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #822 on: June 28, 2015, 04:16:39 pm »

Just acknowledge that I'm a virtual IC so we can move on from there.

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Re: M64: Pony-Mafia Mafia (Day 1 start!)
« Reply #823 on: June 28, 2015, 07:43:12 pm »

...that hint that there is a theme to the scum flavor-flavor names seems unlikely to be helpful at all without some scum flips to base it on.  That might be worth talking about at some point I guess,..
should we talk about this? Does anyone know the flavor?
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Re: M64: Pony-Mafia Mafia (Day 1 start!)
« Reply #824 on: June 28, 2015, 08:24:29 pm »

...that hint that there is a theme to the scum flavor-flavor names seems unlikely to be helpful at all without some scum flips to base it on.  That might be worth talking about at some point I guess,..
should we talk about this? Does anyone know the flavor?

I'm thinking it might be more useful to find the third scum once we have 2 scum flips to look for a pattern.  But it would be useful if we're all locked into our flavor-flavor claims.

I vote we do a flavor-flavor claim.  And then, in a different order, a flavor claim.  Anyone disagree?

Hydrad should probably call the orders.  We've got enough time in the day today that we probably have nothing to lose by this, and maybe it gains us some interactions.  I would really like to see ADK/Mail-mi/Seprix/Pacovf and Skip as the earlier claims though.  But it should probably be up to the IC.
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