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[UmbrageOfSnow]

Again, am I going to lynch or not? It's looking worse and worse for Awaclus.

He only has 4/7 votes on him, you may as well put him at L-2.

[chairs]

make that 5/7.

vote: awaclus.

[UmbrageOfSnow]

L-1 is fun, but let's not hammer him until we get a response from Hydrad.

[UmbrageOfSnow]

So Seprix go ahead and vote, and I think 100% we ought to be lynching Awaclus, he appears to have given up.  But Hydrad should have to own his vote.  No "Oh, I meant to move it and you guys lynched him too fast for me" on Day 2.

And for the record I'm all for lynching Awaclus through any PR claim that isn't Mason or Universal Backup.  In the case of either of those we should look for counterclaims, but otherwise it just risks outing a PR and the Universal Backup can inherit a town!Awaclus PR anyway (unlikely as I think that to be.)

That, and counterclaiming other PRs is pointless in this setup unless we mass claim, which is terrible right now.

[silverspawn]

Vote Count 1.8

Awaclus (5): Hydrad, Witherweaver, UmbrageOfSnow, Teproc, chairs
Witherweaver (1): A Drowned Kernel
Teproc (1): mail-mi
mail-mi (1): pacovf
chairs (3): Seprix, Awaclus, Joseph2302

Not Voting (1): skip wooznum

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch. Day 1 ends at Jun 28, 3 PM Forum Time.

[pacovf]

Again, I haven't had the time to reread Awaclus, but while UoS is really persuasive, the case against Awaclus is still just that he is lurking. Lurker lynches are bad in D1, because if he flips town, we have next to nothing. I would totally be for an Awaclus lynch for D2 (assuming nothing better comes up from the flips), because he has earned it many times over, but I don't think I want to lynch him today.

[Witherweaver]

Again, I haven't had the time to reread Awaclus, but while UoS is really persuasive, the case against Awaclus is still just that he is lurking. Lurker lynches are bad in D1, because if he flips town, we have next to nothing. I would totally be for an Awaclus lynch for D2 (assuming nothing better comes up from the flips), because he has earned it many times over, but I don't think I want to lynch him today.

Feel free to take those 30 seconds now.

Actually, I think Awaclus is trying hard to be stubborn and unhelpful because that's his town meta.

[UmbrageOfSnow]

Again, I haven't had the time to reread Awaclus, but while UoS is really persuasive, the case against Awaclus is still just that he is lurking. Lurker lynches are bad in D1, because if he flips town, we have next to nothing. I would totally be for an Awaclus lynch for D2 (assuming nothing better comes up from the flips), because he has earned it many times over, but I don't think I want to lynch him today.

My case is not about lurking!

It's about meta!

And we have more interactions with Awaclus than we do with Mail-mi, which is where your vote is parked right now.

[Witherweaver]

 

Again, I haven't had the time to reread Awaclus, but while UoS is really persuasive, the case against Awaclus is still just that he is lurking. Lurker lynches are bad in D1, because if he flips town, we have next to nothing. I would totally be for an Awaclus lynch for D2 (assuming nothing better comes up from the flips), because he has earned it many times over, but I don't think I want to lynch him today.

I don't quite buy that this argument is any less applicable on Day 2.  Can just cycle 1->2->3 here and it remains the same.

[Witherweaver]

Again, I haven't had the time to reread Awaclus, but while UoS is really persuasive, the case against Awaclus is still just that he is lurking. Lurker lynches are bad in D1, because if he flips town, we have next to nothing. I would totally be for an Awaclus lynch for D2 (assuming nothing better comes up from the flips), because he has earned it many times over, but I don't think I want to lynch him today.

My case is not about lurking!

It's about meta!

And we have more interactions with Awaclus than we do with Mail-mi, which is where your vote is parked right now.

Also, Mail-Mi is lurking as well.

[Teproc]

Again, I haven't had the time to reread Awaclus, but while UoS is really persuasive, the case against Awaclus is still just that he is lurking. Lurker lynches are bad in D1, because if he flips town, we have next to nothing. I would totally be for an Awaclus lynch for D2 (assuming nothing better comes up from the flips), because he has earned it many times over, but I don't think I want to lynch him today.

Your vote sitting on mail-mi is somewhat undercutting your point here.

Also Awaclus is not just lurking, he's deliberately playing anti-town (see his consistent refusal to say anything of substance about anything). If he's town, I have no idea what he's doing.

[Awaclus]

You've said chairs is scum multiple times.  Make your case.

The case is that he's scum.

Okay I think this bears repeating one more time and then I'm shutting up about it.

If you are town, you are giving scum a free mislynch.  That is bad for town.  After you flip, you are giving town nothing to look at to get your scumreads lynched tomorrow (and I promise I look at dead players' words).  This is bad for town assuming you have any reads at all.  Stop doing  things to help the other team win.

It's also good for you if you're scum because you don't say much that could allow us to draw many associations with your partners now that you suspect you're getting lynched.

So I don't think you're really so committed to helping the other team win. I think you are scum, and this is you doubling down on your strategy to not get lynched.  I don't even really think that's best play from scum, but I think it makes sense from a scum mindset.  You don't think I'm budging, so you're going for an appeal to audacity hoping the rest of town won't lynch you if you're just. that. unbelievably. stubborn.

And if I made the case, you'd lynch me because that's a scum tell.

[Awaclus]

I'm also not giving scum a free mislynch because we're not lynching me today.

[UmbrageOfSnow]

And if I made the case, you'd lynch me because that's a scum tell.

 

[Awaclus]

Also Awaclus is not just lurking, he's deliberately playing anti-town (see his consistent refusal to say anything of substance about anything).

No, that's deliberately playing anti-scum.

[Awaclus]

And if I made the case, you'd lynch me because that's a scum tell.

 

You've been reading my past games, you should know that I have never ever made a single case on anyone as town, but I do feel enormous pressure to justify my votes as scum.

[Teproc]

And if I made the case, you'd lynch me because that's a scum tell.

 

You've been reading my past games, you should know that I have never ever made a single case on anyone as town, but I do feel enormous pressure to justify my votes as scum.

So... that means you'll never, ever make a case as town ? Enjoy the mislynches man.

[Awaclus]

Actually, I think Awaclus is trying hard to be stubborn and unhelpful because that's his town meta.

It's true that trying hard to be stubborn and unhelpful is my town meta. Thanks for bringing that up for me.

[A Drowned Kernel]

Wow yeah I could definitely lynch awaclus today. Scum read is skyrocketing.

[Teproc]

I'm also not giving scum a free mislynch because we're not lynching me today.

If you're going to claim, go ahead. I mean you're free to wait L-1 and intent to hammer, but at this point it's a formality.

[Awaclus]

So... that means you'll never, ever make a case as town ? Enjoy the mislynches man.

Some day I'll probably make a case if I have a guilty investigative result on someone.

[Awaclus]

I'm also not giving scum a free mislynch because we're not lynching me today.

If you're going to claim, go ahead. I mean you're free to wait L-1 and intent to hammer, but at this point it's a formality.

VT.

[Awaclus]

Wow yeah I could definitely lynch awaclus today. Scum read is skyrocketing.

Why did the scum read skyrocket as soon as I started actually being towny?

[Teproc]

Why am I surprised that this makes no sense ? I should expect that by now.

[Seprix]

Well, I'm ending this facade. :/

vote: Awaclus