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[UmbrageOfSnow]

Since we're doing the would-not-lynch list thing, mine is woefully short:

Teproc, pacovf.

With this level of engagement it would be very easy for scum to lead town around into mislynches without having to stick their nose out too far.  Chairs and Awalcus' behavior is actively anti-town.  So if you're town, maybe try to be useful or actually commit to something that you can be held to later.  This sort of play as town is great for your scum game, but you're going to be town more often then scum, so if you're town ACT LIKE IT.

Anyway, when I voted Awalcus yesterday, I wasn't actually interested in lynching him.  I think I am now, but I want some input from those of you who have played with him a lot.

I read Awalcus' posts in a bunch of his recent games and skimmed the content around them.  His meta appears to be that he tries harder and defends himself more as scum.  But it still looks to me that he comes in and defends himself as town too.  Yesterday he was posting on site while ignoring his wagon, which he continues to do.

This quote from RMM 24 caught my eye (he was town there.)

- can you explain exactly what it is from your scum meta which you fail to replicate as town? I've heard you saying that you're easily found at as scum a bunch of times, but never understood why.

2) Well, I don't particularly try to replicate my scum meta when I'm town.  Anyway, I always feel enormous pressure to make sense and explain everything as scum. Even in Blarnia Mafia where I somehow got away with it, I explained all of my votes and reads unless the reasons were very clear without an explanation. I obviously do not feel any pressure to explain anything at all when I'm town.

When I read this, I got to thinking: he seems hyper aware of this, and in this game it looks to me (and this is where I need input from people who've actually played with him a bunch rather than skimmed some games) that he's been explaining and defending himself even less than usual.

I'm postulating that he's overcompensating for his known scumtell.

Thoughts?

PPE: 4

[Joseph2302]

Can we just vote: awaclus and get rolling? I want to see what N1's NK will be already so we can work with it D2.

This doesn't seem very good or towny. Vote: chairs , because this is scummier than anything Awaclus has done /not done.
PPE: Lots

[Seprix]

Since we're doing the would-not-lynch list thing, mine is woefully short:
When I read this, I got to thinking: he seems hyper aware of this, and in this game it looks to me (and this is where I need input from people who've actually played with him a bunch rather than skimmed some games) that he's been explaining and defending himself even less than usual.

I'm postulating that he's overcompensating for his known scumtell.

Thoughts?

I think it's pretty likely, actually. I can hammer if you'd like, I'm down for an Awaclus lynch.

[Joseph2302]

Awaclus in Futuramafia* (VT)

*P.S. : Ash, if you're reading this, the link for Futuramafia in the Stats page goes to Fish Mafia

This is still the "Joseph being scummy" run of games, and Awaclus gets on that wagon early. Tunnels him all day 1, not very active, though more than he his in this current game. Then Joseph claims Tracker, and he switches to Hydrad and defends the idea of leaving Joseph alive to verify his claim. He gets pretty active then, as deadline is nearing.

Then he's not very active the rest of the game, but his posts always have content.

Meh. Neither of these look anything like what he's doing now. So I'm guessing Awaclus is trying something new, and I don't know why he'd do that (or this specific brand of new) as town.

I guess that Awaclus is more active as scum, so possibly this is a town tell.
PPE:1

[UmbrageOfSnow]

Since we're doing the would-not-lynch list thing, mine is woefully short:
When I read this, I got to thinking: he seems hyper aware of this, and in this game it looks to me (and this is where I need input from people who've actually played with him a bunch rather than skimmed some games) that he's been explaining and defending himself even less than usual.

I'm postulating that he's overcompensating for his known scumtell.

Thoughts?

I think it's pretty likely, actually. I can hammer if you'd like, I'm down for an Awaclus lynch.

Definitely do not hammer any time soon.  I think reaching a lynch before the weekend would be nice, but it's Tuesday.  We need reactions and positions from people so we have something to go on tomorrow.

[Witherweaver]

Well, my scum read on Teproc has gone down. 

[pacovf]

Since we're doing the would-not-lynch list thing, mine is woefully short:
When I read this, I got to thinking: he seems hyper aware of this, and in this game it looks to me (and this is where I need input from people who've actually played with him a bunch rather than skimmed some games) that he's been explaining and defending himself even less than usual.

I'm postulating that he's overcompensating for his known scumtell.

Thoughts?

I think it's pretty likely, actually. I can hammer if you'd like, I'm down for an Awaclus lynch.

Definitely do not hammer any time soon.  I think reaching a lynch before the weekend would be nice, but it's Tuesday.  We need reactions and positions from people so we have something to go on tomorrow.

Yeah, this. It's not a bad case, but I have to think about it.

[Teproc]

Since we're doing the would-not-lynch list thing, mine is woefully short:
When I read this, I got to thinking: he seems hyper aware of this, and in this game it looks to me (and this is where I need input from people who've actually played with him a bunch rather than skimmed some games) that he's been explaining and defending himself even less than usual.

I'm postulating that he's overcompensating for his known scumtell.

Thoughts?

I think it's pretty likely, actually. I can hammer if you'd like, I'm down for an Awaclus lynch.

Definitely do not hammer any time soon.  I think reaching a lynch before the weekend would be nice, but it's Tuesday.  We need reactions and positions from people so we have something to go on tomorrow.

We have lots. There's no rush either, but I'd be fine with us reaching a lynch today as well.

Besides, Awaclus is at L-2. This what the votes look like right now :

Awaclus (5) : Hydrad, WW, UoS, Joseph, Teproc
chairs (3) : Seprix, Awaclus, Joseph
Seprix (1) : chairs
Witherweaver (1): ADK
mail-mi (1) : pacovf
Teproc (1) : mail-mi
UoS (1) : skip

PPE : Right when I unvote you, isn't that nice. This is where I point that if people want to get a WW wagon going, I'd be glad to switch back. I think he and Awaclus have similar chances of flipping scum, but WW is a more productive lynch in terms of interactions.

@pacovf : Fine, but let's not get to deadline, that's never a good idea.

[Teproc]

Wait, Joseph's listed twice there, so there are actually only 4 votes on Awaclus.

[Witherweaver]

So I voted Awaclus for two basic reasons:

1) town!Awaclus gets very indignant when he has a wagon on him, and continually talks about how not scum he's been acting.  He hadn't really been involved this game (and as a result hasn't been as frustrating as usual), so I wanted to prompt him into reacting.  Cool that I can just start an unexplained wagon and people vote along.  That's a power I want to abuse.

2) Wanted to push the Teproc/Mail-Mi connection more, well or anyone/Mail-Mi.  I wanted to see how people would react to an alternative wagon to Mail-Mi in case he does turn up scum.

I kind of expected to be swayed away from Awaclus, but he has seemed to put in the minimum amount of effort possible and I'm wondering if he's just trying hard to act as he sees himself when he's town.

PPEs: A few.

[UmbrageOfSnow]

We have lots. There's no rush either, but I'd be fine with us reaching a lynch today as well.

I'd be fine with reaching a lynch today, but I really want Hydrad and WW to chime in on what I'm saying about Awaclus first.  Those shouldn't be 0 accountability votes if he flips town.  ADK and Mail-mi commenting on Awaclus would be nice too.

This is where I point that if people want to get a WW wagon going, I'd be glad to switch back. I think he and Awaclus have similar chances of flipping scum, but WW is a more productive lynch in terms of interactions.

@pacovf : Fine, but let's not get to deadline, that's never a good idea.

Seconded and seconded.

But I think getting more comments on a Awaclus vote would make his lynch more informative.

[Awaclus]

1) town!Awaclus gets very indignant when he has a wagon on him, and continually talks about how not scum he's been acting.

This is true. Usually when I'm town, I have like 29384723984723 town tells that everyone is either not noticing or choosing to ignore on purpose, which is why I have to point them out. In this game, I haven't posted much because a lot of stuff has been going on IRL and other games, and that's why there aren't that many things that I can point out. The only notable thing is that I don't lurk as scum, but there's the problem that I don't usually lurk as town either.

[silverspawn]

Vote Count 1.7

Awaclus (4): Hydrad, Witherweaver, UmbrageOfSnow, Teproc
Seprix (1): chairs
Witherweaver (1): A Drowned Kernel
UmbrageOfSnow (1): skip wooznum
Teproc (1): mail-mi
mail-mi (1): pacovf
chairs (3): Seprix, Awaclus, Joseph2302

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch. Day 1 ends at Jun 28, 3 PM Forum Time.

[Teproc]

Can we just vote: awaclus and get rolling? I want to see what N1's NK will be already so we can work with it D2.

This doesn't seem very good or towny. Vote: chairs , because this is scummier than anything Awaclus has done /not done.
PPE: Lots

@silver : Joseph voted chairs in this post.

[Witherweaver]

1) town!Awaclus gets very indignant when he has a wagon on him, and continually talks about how not scum he's been acting.

This is true. Usually when I'm town, I have like 29384723984723 town tells that everyone is either not noticing or choosing to ignore on purpose, which is why I have to point them out. In this game, I haven't posted much because a lot of stuff has been going on IRL and other games, and that's why there aren't that many things that I can point out. The only notable thing is that I don't lurk as scum, but there's the problem that I don't usually lurk as town either.

Didn't you point out earlier this game that you do lurk?

[UmbrageOfSnow]

Hey Awalcus,

Let's say Joe and chairs come back to you and Seprix hammers (or whatever other scenario that leads to you being lynched you think is most probable).

What do you think of the wagon on you?

[silverspawn]

@silver : Joseph voted chairs in this post.

thanks, fixed.

[A Drowned Kernel]

Awaclus isn't a terrible lynch but he's not my favorite.

[Awaclus]

1) town!Awaclus gets very indignant when he has a wagon on him, and continually talks about how not scum he's been acting.

This is true. Usually when I'm town, I have like 29384723984723 town tells that everyone is either not noticing or choosing to ignore on purpose, which is why I have to point them out. In this game, I haven't posted much because a lot of stuff has been going on IRL and other games, and that's why there aren't that many things that I can point out. The only notable thing is that I don't lurk as scum, but there's the problem that I don't usually lurk as town either.

Didn't you point out earlier this game that you do lurk?

I do lurk in this game, and I used to lurk in RMMs because I didn't know what was going on, but I don't usually lurk.

Hey Awalcus,

Let's say Joe and chairs come back to you and Seprix hammers (or whatever other scenario that leads to you being lynched you think is most probable).

What do you think of the wagon on you?

I think it looks like people are there to pressure me to post more rather than because they actually want to lynch me, which is pro-town, but not hard to do as scum. Chairs was scummy but he's no longer on my wagon.

[UmbrageOfSnow]

I think it looks like people are there to pressure me to post more rather than because they actually want to lynch me, which is pro-town, but not hard to do as scum. Chairs was scummy but he's no longer on my wagon.

Okay, so who's scum off-wagon?

[Awaclus]

I think it looks like people are there to pressure me to post more rather than because they actually want to lynch me, which is pro-town, but not hard to do as scum. Chairs was scummy but he's no longer on my wagon.

Okay, so who's scum off-wagon?

Chairs.

[UmbrageOfSnow]

Awaclus isn't a terrible lynch but he's not my favorite.

You've played with Awaclus a lot, do you think he's been acting even more passive than usual, i.e. with his lack of response to this wagon yesterday?  Or is this normal for him.

[A Drowned Kernel]

He tends to be pretty passive regardless of alignment. Which is a bad way to play but unfortunately doesn't indicate much about his alignment here.

[UmbrageOfSnow]

He tends to be pretty passive regardless of alignment. Which is a bad way to play but unfortunately doesn't indicate much about his alignment here.

So you think his play here is no more or less passive than his other games?

[Awaclus]

He tends to be pretty passive regardless of alignment. Which is a bad way to play but unfortunately doesn't indicate much about his alignment here.

I don't tend to be passive.