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Re: Thoughts on Miser?
« Reply #25 on: July 11, 2015, 12:37:57 pm »
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I think Miser is only clearly good in a game with no draw, no trashing, and no attacks. And well, that's pretty boring.

In the 3-card kingdom "Scrying Pool, Worker's Village, Miser", I'm going to play with multiple Misers.

Edge case.

No, it's a basic counterexample that should illustrate why I think the statement is bonkers.

Draw makes Miser better, not worse; other trashing may or may not want me to go Miser (it really depends on the other trasher and the rest of the board); and I doubt the presence of attacks has on average a big impact on whether I go Miser or not (on most Cultists boards you clearly don't want it, but in general attacks prolong the game, which makes Miser a bit better).
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Re: Thoughts on Miser?
« Reply #26 on: July 11, 2015, 12:44:41 pm »
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I think Miser is only clearly good in a game with no draw, no trashing, and no attacks. And well, that's pretty boring.

In the 3-card kingdom "Scrying Pool, Worker's Village, Miser", I'm going to play with multiple Misers.

Edge case.

No, it's a basic counterexample that should illustrate why I think the statement is bonkers.

Draw makes Miser better, not worse; other trashing may or may not want me to go Miser (it really depends on the other trasher and the rest of the board); and I doubt the presence of attacks has on average a big impact on whether I go Miser or not (on most Cultists boards you clearly don't want it, but in general attacks prolong the game, which makes Miser a bit better).

Huh.
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Re: Thoughts on Miser?
« Reply #27 on: July 11, 2015, 01:21:15 pm »
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I think Miser is only clearly good in a game with no draw, no trashing, and no attacks. And well, that's pretty boring.

In the 3-card kingdom "Scrying Pool, Worker's Village, Miser", I'm going to play with multiple Misers.

Edge case.

No, it's a basic counterexample that should illustrate why I think the statement is bonkers.

Draw makes Miser better, not worse; other trashing may or may not want me to go Miser (it really depends on the other trasher and the rest of the board); and I doubt the presence of attacks has on average a big impact on whether I go Miser or not (on most Cultists boards you clearly don't want it, but in general attacks prolong the game, which makes Miser a bit better).

You could have said so right away, not everybody gets your references ;)
Now I see your point. Of course, Miser benefits from draw, as it increases your chance of still being able to buy something good after you Miser'd away a Copper from your hand. Also, I can't think of any type of deck that doesn' benefit from draw.
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Re: Thoughts on Miser?
« Reply #28 on: July 11, 2015, 01:28:37 pm »
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I think Miser is only clearly good in a game with no draw, no trashing, and no attacks. And well, that's pretty boring.

In the 3-card kingdom "Scrying Pool, Worker's Village, Miser", I'm going to play with multiple Misers.

Edge case.

No, it's a basic counterexample that should illustrate why I think the statement is bonkers.

Draw makes Miser better, not worse; other trashing may or may not want me to go Miser (it really depends on the other trasher and the rest of the board); and I doubt the presence of attacks has on average a big impact on whether I go Miser or not (on most Cultists boards you clearly don't want it, but in general attacks prolong the game, which makes Miser a bit better).

You could have said so right away, not everybody gets your references ;)
Now I see your point. Of course, Miser benefits from draw, as it increases your chance of still being able to buy something good after you Miser'd away a Copper from your hand. Also, I can't think of any type of deck that doesn' benefit from draw.

Pstone, all I can think of.
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Re: Thoughts on Miser?
« Reply #29 on: July 11, 2015, 02:07:36 pm »
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I think Miser is only clearly good in a game with no draw, no trashing, and no attacks. And well, that's pretty boring.

In the 3-card kingdom "Scrying Pool, Worker's Village, Miser", I'm going to play with multiple Misers.

Edge case.

No, it's a basic counterexample that should illustrate why I think the statement is bonkers.

Draw makes Miser better, not worse; other trashing may or may not want me to go Miser (it really depends on the other trasher and the rest of the board); and I doubt the presence of attacks has on average a big impact on whether I go Miser or not (on most Cultists boards you clearly don't want it, but in general attacks prolong the game, which makes Miser a bit better).

You could have said so right away, not everybody gets your references ;)
Now I see your point. Of course, Miser benefits from draw, as it increases your chance of still being able to buy something good after you Miser'd away a Copper from your hand. Also, I can't think of any type of deck that doesn' benefit from draw.

Pstone, all I can think of.

You've got it wrong — that type of deck still benefits from draw, it just doesn't benefit from Pstone.
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