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[Ghacob]

I am here and rereading, will come back with results

[Witherweaver]

Okay I think this is it:

I was really just trying to think of all the possibilities.  People switching their votes from the main wagon without an explanation at this point seems scummy to me.  I don't have the experience to develop the thought completely so I was hoping someone could take it and explain it better.  Maybe this post just made it even more confusing.

I'll try this. 

Imagine TA is scum.  He thinks that Seprix and e are 1 town / 1 other scum team.  He isn't sure so he rereads the day and realizes that he may be lynching a mafia from the other team of mafia. 

Or does eliminating the other team of mafia make it easier for the one team?

Does that make any more sense?

PPE:2

I think this is the first mention of another team, and it's pretty weird.  If we're in multiball, good chance gkrieg is on a team.  Chairs, do you think there are multiple killing factions?

[EFHW]

I don't think anybody knows what my PR does, but since I think it's going to continue to be a point of contention (and I think once I claim it, we can review the people who are pushing for me to claim it like Seprix), I am a modified Doctor. There are probably multiple kill types based on the exact wording of my PM; it could be implying scum has Strongman shots.

Now you know - what are we going to do with that info?

Who have you targeted, if you can say.

[EFHW]

Now you know - what are we going to do with that info?

hope someone can doctor you.

Scum might have a Roleblock. They very well could keep Chairs alive and hope we think he's lying. Also, Chairs might actually be lying, but the different types of kills thing he said is pretty specific, I think he's telling the truth.

I don't know if chairs is telling the truth or not, but the amount of specific detail is pretty slim, not enough for town points, imo.

[EFHW]

WW - silver is dead.

[EFHW]

People NEED to talk. This game is so inherently pro-scum right now.

What are people's thoughts on EFHW?

Hockey isn't being talked about much. What is everyone's opinions on that?

Chairs, I'd like to know what your PR is. Good chance scum knows what it is anyways.

Ya. I agree. Hopefully tomorrow people will talk.

My feelings about EFHW came from reading yoshi mafia. Her game seems similar here.

What was EFHW like in Yoshi Mafia?

Yeah, what was I like?  Did you read a town game too?

[EFHW]

I find Seprix's suspicion of chairs due to the "townslip" fairly scummy.

Why? Can you explain this to me?

Just saw this.  I just don't see enough evidence to think he made it up.  That's pure speculation and not enough for me to make a case out of.  Scum like to capitalize on little things like this, trying to make them seem bigger than they are.

[EFHW]

Ghacob is the most probable case today thus far. I love the case stated above a few posts up. But we need another choice. We can't just zero in on one person. I think Chairs has enormous potential, depending on what he might claim.

I agree that it's better to have more than one wagon.  But you are a strong scumread for me, so that counts as a second wagon.  I would like it if someone could spell out the case on Ghacob.  Or maybe I'll just reread him myself.

[EFHW]

I'm going to be v/la from July 29-Aug 7.  I should be able to check in once a day.

[chairs]

Okay I think this is it:

I was really just trying to think of all the possibilities.  People switching their votes from the main wagon without an explanation at this point seems scummy to me.  I don't have the experience to develop the thought completely so I was hoping someone could take it and explain it better.  Maybe this post just made it even more confusing.

I'll try this. 

Imagine TA is scum.  He thinks that Seprix and e are 1 town / 1 other scum team.  He isn't sure so he rereads the day and realizes that he may be lynching a mafia from the other team of mafia. 

Or does eliminating the other team of mafia make it easier for the one team?

Does that make any more sense?

PPE:2

I think this is the first mention of another team, and it's pretty weird.  If we're in multiball, good chance gkrieg is on a team.  Chairs, do you think there are multiple killing factions?

I think it's probably the case - but if that's so, why have we only seen 1 kill per night? And as far as targets, I think claiming them would give multiball scum too much information, so I won't be sharing that until/unless we reach a point where we're reasonably certain no multi-ball exists.

[gkrieg13]

Woah lots of posts. I'll get to most of these tomorrow morning.

People NEED to talk. This game is so inherently pro-scum right now.

What are people's thoughts on EFHW?

Hockey isn't being talked about much. What is everyone's opinions on that?

Chairs, I'd like to know what your PR is. Good chance scum knows what it is anyways.

Ya. I agree. Hopefully tomorrow people will talk.

My feelings about EFHW came from reading yoshi mafia. Her game seems similar here.

What was EFHW like in Yoshi Mafia?

Yeah, what was I like?  Did you read a town game too?

I didn't read a town game of yours. I'll do that tomorrow and update my vote accordingly. I actually don't think it's multi ball but rather a third party that has killing opportunities. I don't think they would use X-shot on the first night on Faust though.
That post was more of just a question post. Most of my posts like that are just trying to think of the game a different way because we don't have any information about the setup.

[Witherweaver]

Okay I think this is it:

I was really just trying to think of all the possibilities.  People switching their votes from the main wagon without an explanation at this point seems scummy to me.  I don't have the experience to develop the thought completely so I was hoping someone could take it and explain it better.  Maybe this post just made it even more confusing.

I'll try this. 

Imagine TA is scum.  He thinks that Seprix and e are 1 town / 1 other scum team.  He isn't sure so he rereads the day and realizes that he may be lynching a mafia from the other team of mafia. 

Or does eliminating the other team of mafia make it easier for the one team?

Does that make any more sense?

PPE:2

I think this is the first mention of another team, and it's pretty weird.  If we're in multiball, good chance gkrieg is on a team.  Chairs, do you think there are multiple killing factions?

I think it's probably the case - but if that's so, why have we only seen 1 kill per night? And as far as targets, I think claiming them would give multiball scum too much information, so I won't be sharing that until/unless we reach a point where we're reasonably certain no multi-ball exists.

It's unlikely, but not impossible.. doctors, other protection, double targetting, blocking.  Buffy was pretty kill deficient considering how many killing powers there were.

[Witherweaver]

WW - silver is dead.

Dammit.

[Hydrad]

Best way to get a game moving is with votes!

Vote: Ghacob

I'm impatient for results D:

[hockeysemlan]

I am here and rereading, will come back with results

How are the rereading going..? I'm anxious for some defending here, man.

[Seprix]

His reread is taking awhile.. Scum for delaying or town for playing more carelessly?

[hockeysemlan]

His reread is taking awhile.. Scum for delaying or town for playing more carelessly?

I know what I think on the matter...

[Seprix]

His reread is taking awhile.. Scum for delaying or town for playing more carelessly?

I know what I think on the matter...

Which is...?

[hockeysemlan]

His reread is taking awhile.. Scum for delaying or town for playing more carelessly?

I know what I think on the matter...

Which is...?

Scum. Follow the votes.

Gah, I hate the fact that I'm so lousy at finding relevant quotes, but look up on how oblivious he was to e:s scummyness. Sure, e is a good scum, and the case on him wasn't the biggest one ever, but Ghacob and I were both in hearthstone where e crushed us. The resemblence to his play there made me sure enough to vote him and Ghacob should be able to recognize the same thing as I did..

That, plus the mislynches makes me pretty certain his caught and is delaying his response because of it. I might be wrong, both Ghacob and I are rather new so maybe I'm just far out here, but I think not.

[gkrieg13]

As folks have pointed out, the wincon explicitly states ONLY chaos-aligned players.

That means, if we lynch all mafia without lynching a third alignment (aka SK), town wins anyway.  That's an impossibility in normal mafia, as the SK can keep on killing.  Same for werewolves, cults, etc.

The survivor is an edge case, as the survivor role is required to be factionless.  Given alignment-switching is often seen as BM at worst and RMM at least, a survivor is basically defined as no faction until winning (or alternatively, all factions).

Ergo, the town wincon definitively assures town that there is only one other faction in the game.  So, no SK, no multi ball.

All town players already knew this.  Players arguing for the existence of a third faction, such as an SK, are scum or intentionally lying town.

I was just reading through a town EFHW game and found this.  Ashersky is explaining what wincons say if there is only one other faction compared to if there are multiple other factions.  Just thought I would share this here.  It looks like we either have multiball, or there is a 3rd party with killing powers.

[mail-mi]

Was there anyone on both town wagons and off the e wagon? I'm gonna look at that when I'm home.

[hockeysemlan]

Was there anyone on both town wagons and off the e wagon? I'm gonna look at that when I'm home.

Yes! Ghacob!

[mail-mi]

Day 1 Final Vote Count:

XP (9):  chairs, uos, Seprix, 2.7, WW, IG, Ghacob, EFHW, Hydrad
hockeysemlan (2): silverspawn, EgorK
2.7 (6): XP, TA, mail-mi, hockey, faust, gkrieg13

Not Voting (0):

With 17 alive, it took 9 to lynch.

D2 Final Vote Count:

2.7 (3): EFHW, hockeysemlan, silverspawn
EFHW (1): witherweaver
EgorK (8): UoS, Seprix, chairs, Ghacob, gkrieg13, Hydrad, 2.7
Ghacob (1): mail-mi
mail-mi (1): TA

Not Voting (2):  IG, EgorK

With 15 alive, it took 8 to lynch.

Final Day 3 Vote Count:

Seprix (2): 2.7, EFHW
gkrieg13 (1): Ghacob
mail-mi (1): gkrieg13
2.7 (7): silverspawn, mail-mi, Hydrad, TwistedArcher, Seprix, hockeysemlan

Not Voting (3): witherweaver, IG, chairs

With 13 alive, it took 7 to lynch.

On wagon day 1: chairs, Seprix, WW, IG, Ghacob, EFHW, Hydrad.
On e day 1: TA, mail-mi, hockey, gkrieg13
Off both day 1: none alive

On wagon day 2: Seprix, chairs, Ghacob, gkrieg13, Hydrad,
On e day 2: EFHW, hockeysemlan,
Off both day 2: mail-mi, Witherweaver, TA, IG

On wagon and e day 3: mail-mi, Hydrad, TwistedArcher, Seprix, hockeysemlan
Off wagon day 3: witherweaver, IG, chairs, EFHW, Ghacob, gkrieg13

Ghacob and chairs look horrendous from this, and WW and IG not much better. I propose we lynch from those four today.

[ashersky]

Vote Count 4.4:

Ghacob (4): hockeysemlan, mail-mi, Seprix, Hydrad
EFHW (1): gkrieg13
Seprix (1): EFHW

Not Voting (5): witherweaver, IG, chairs, Ghacob, TA

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.

Day 4 ends on August 1 at 1:00 p.m.

[Witherweaver]

Ghacob and chairs look horrendous from this, and WW and IG not much better. I propose we lynch from those four today.

Well, I wasn't around at all yesterday.  I'm not sure I would have gone for e, though.  I didn't think he was scummy from before.