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[Seprix]

vote: EFHW if I remember right she was gunning for e but ends up off wagon.

Not to be whiteknighting, but EFHW is one of my top townreads this far. You have to do more than this to convince me she's scum...

From what I remember, EFHW hasn't said anything controversial or stood out in any way. That's the most dangerous kind of scum, so I'm on the fence.

[Seprix]

I see. That wasn't meant to say that I was PR. But I'm also not VT. Or maybe I don't know what PR means because I don't have any actions day or night.

Oh yeah, can we bring this up again too? This might be the 3rd team.

It would make sense to have a couple of survivors here/ non-town team that doesn't make kills..

Quite possibly.

[hockeysemlan]

vote: EFHW if I remember right she was gunning for e but ends up off wagon.

Not to be whiteknighting, but EFHW is one of my top townreads this far. You have to do more than this to convince me she's scum...

From what I remember, EFHW hasn't said anything controversial or stood out in any way. That's the most dangerous kind of scum, so I'm on the fence.

Except the dig-out work on e, which I assume convinced enough people to make a lynch.. That's what I'm basing my read on anyway.

[Seprix]

vote: EFHW if I remember right she was gunning for e but ends up off wagon.

Not to be whiteknighting, but EFHW is one of my top townreads this far. You have to do more than this to convince me she's scum...

From what I remember, EFHW hasn't said anything controversial or stood out in any way. That's the most dangerous kind of scum, so I'm on the fence.

Except the dig-out work on e, which I assume convinced enough people to make a lynch.. That's what I'm basing my read on anyway.

I thought it was my post that convinced SS that if e wasn't scum, we were fucked anyways.

[EFHW]

funnily enough, I've been rereading Seprix through the lens of knowing e was scum.  Writing it up now.

[EFHW]

Seprix and e: 

Each of them defends the other multiple times (e defends Seprix 193, 256, 707; Seprix defends e 711, 715, 724, 789).

They do have some direct interactions:  a joke about Seprix's avatar (269); e insults Seprix at the height of his (e's) defensiveness (516, 525); commiserating about wagons without reasons (709).

According to vote counts, they don't vote for each other until Seprix gets on the e wagon next to last at the end of Day 3.  There is one exception at the beginning of Day 2 when Seprix comes out voting e, citing the faust nk as evidence.  By the next vote count, he is voting TA with e.  At 868 he says his e vote was "a placeholder".

They frequently vote together - on XP, egork, and TA.

601 e says TA's Seprix vote was scummy.

At 1063 Seprix says there has only been one strong case (UoS against egorK), apparently forgetting my case against e. 

1121 Seprix says e, SS and TA look bad on the egorK wagon.  Settles on silver as his target.

1218 After voting e at 1212, Seprix makes the point he mentioned a few posts ago, that e must be scum since all the alternatives keep turning up town.

1235 Seprix suspects anyone who tried to defend e at the end, doesn't mention anyone specific.

[mail-mi]

Seprix, Faust is dead...

[EFHW]

These examples fit a partner narrative pretty well, I think.  The times when they are antagonistic are so short-lived, and their agendas otherwise seem to match.  The alternative, which is also plausible, is that e was successfully buddying Seprix.  But since I find Seprix's suspicion of chairs due to the "townslip" fairly scummy, and I've had a scum feeling about him since Day 1, I'll vote: Seprix. 

[Seprix]

Seprix, Faust is dead...

Oh god, really? Lol.. Wow.

[Seprix]

Seprix and e: 

Each of them defends the other multiple times (e defends Seprix 193, 256, 707; Seprix defends e 711, 715, 724, 789).

They do have some direct interactions:  a joke about Seprix's avatar (269); e insults Seprix at the height of his (e's) defensiveness (516, 525); commiserating about wagons without reasons (709).

According to vote counts, they don't vote for each other until Seprix gets on the e wagon next to last at the end of Day 3.  There is one exception at the beginning of Day 2 when Seprix comes out voting e, citing the faust nk as evidence.  By the next vote count, he is voting TA with e.  At 868 he says his e vote was "a placeholder".

They frequently vote together - on XP, egork, and TA.

601 e says TA's Seprix vote was scummy.

At 1063 Seprix says there has only been one strong case (UoS against egorK), apparently forgetting my case against e. 

1121 Seprix says e, SS and TA look bad on the egorK wagon.  Settles on silver as his target.

1218 After voting e at 1212, Seprix makes the point he mentioned a few posts ago, that e must be scum since all the alternatives keep turning up town.

1235 Seprix suspects anyone who tried to defend e at the end, doesn't mention anyone specific.

Town points. You're wrong, but town points.

[gkrieg13]

My top scum reads are EFHW and Ghacob as well.
vote: EFHW
Will explain later

[Seprix]

My top scum reads are EFHW and Ghacob as well.
vote: EFHW
Will explain later

I will be awaiting this explanation.

[Seprix]

I find Seprix's suspicion of chairs due to the "townslip" fairly scummy.

Why? Can you explain this to me?

[chairs]

Scum might just have a roleblocker and be RBing me so that I can't possibly be doing anything useful, thereby hoping for my mislynch later when I'm unable to prove my Towniness from PR usage.

[Seprix]

Scum might just have a roleblocker and be RBing me so that I can't possibly be doing anything useful, thereby hoping for my mislynch later when I'm unable to prove my Towniness from PR usage.

Plausible.

[ashersky]

Vote Count 4.2:

Ghacob (1): hockeysemlan
EFHW (2): mail-mi, gkrieg13
chairs (1): Seprix
Seprix (1): EFHW

Not Voting (6): witherweaver, IG, chairs, Ghacob, Hydrad, TA

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.

Day 4 ends on August 1 at 1:00 p.m.

[gkrieg13]

Sorry I'll have to explain tomorrow when I'm at a computer. Going to bed tonight.

[Hydrad]

Vote: Seprix

[Hydrad]

Hmm actually i thought for a second he was off wagon. less sure about seprix now.

[gkrieg13]

I'm glad I got to think about things before I posted. Did anyone use a redirect last night?  And is that usually a town role or a scum role?

[EFHW]

Hmm actually i thought for a second he was off wagon. less sure about seprix now.

waffle much?

[EFHW]

I'm glad I got to think about things before I posted. Did anyone use a redirect last night?  And is that usually a town role or a scum role?

I'd say it's more often a scum role.  ashersky got it as town once, and refused to use it (or was that a scum ploy?).

[Twistedarcher]

Bummer to see Silverspawn die, he was my top townread. Glad we got scum though.

I'd be surprised by 3 scum, if there's no SK (which seems to be the case), I'd expect 4 mafia with 17 players. 3 would be tough.

Interested the doublevote still was there, it's possible we have a doublevoting third party.

Chairs, I think you should either claim your role or never talk it again. Not this middle ground you've been doing. All you are doing is probably giving scum info while not giving town any.

[Twistedarcher]

vote: EFHW if I remember right she was gunning for e but ends up off wagon.

My impression was that she ended up off wagon because she wasn't ready to end the day, and was scared of a potential doublevote (and hey look), not because she was opposed to the lynch. Of course it's impossible to say what she would really have done.

[Twistedarcher]

Going to re-read either tonight or tomorrow morning, off for now though.