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[silverspawn]

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[mail-mi]

I'm with UoS on this one and it's good enough for an early day 1 vote: Faust

[faust]

I'm with UoS on this one and it's good enough for an early day 1 vote: Faust

So you too think I should have risked someone getting modkilled?

[EFHW]

I think Xerxes is townier now. e has left a scummy impression on me though.

Can you elaborate on either/both of these thoughts?  Is there more than just they are probably on  different sides given the pressure e is putting on XP?

[faust]

I think Xerxes is townier now. e has left a scummy impression on me though.

Can you elaborate on either/both of these thoughts?  Is there more than just they are probably on  different sides given the pressure e is putting on XP?

Xerxes feels towny, I don't know why, call it gut read. I don't like e's case on Xerxes; it looks like a fake case.

[EFHW]

Someone asked earlier why I see XP's comment as role-fishing more than bread-crumbing - it's for two reasons 1) bread-crumbing like that at that point as town would be a really bad move and 2) the effect of comments like that is that discussion starts about PR's, which is what happened.

PPE: faust

if you can figure out what triggers your gut-read then we would have something to think about. "Gut-read" is often something scum says to avoid giving explanations.  On the other hand, I have had gut reads that were right, but not being able to explain them made me unable to convince others.

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I think Xerxes is townier now. e has left a scummy impression on me though.

Can you elaborate on either/both of these thoughts?  Is there more than just they are probably on  different sides given the pressure e is putting on XP?

Xerxes feels towny, I don't know why, call it gut read. I don't like e's case on Xerxes; it looks like a fake case.

It is not fake.  It is D1

[EFHW]

This hasn't felt like a big game yet - hopefully after the holiday we will hear from our quieter players. It's great that we have a bunch of active players, but it can have the effect of the talkers both carrying the game and being the ones lynched, and the absence of the others isn't noticed b/c so many people are talking.  Makes it nice and easy to hide as scum, at least at the beginning.

[faust]

if you can figure out what triggers your gut-read then we would have something to think about. "Gut-read" is often something scum says to avoid giving explanations.  On the other hand, I have had gut reads that were right, but not being able to explain them made me unable to convince others.

Well, he has a point about Dice Mafia. He also claimed early there. And while claiming early is often anti-town, it rarely comes from scum. As to rolefishing - that's something people always accuse each other of, but I think I have yet to see a single case where something like that was really posted with the intention of making town players give away stuff about their roles.

[hockeysemlan]

This hasn't felt like a big game yet - hopefully after the holiday we will hear from our quieter players. It's great that we have a bunch of active players, but it can have the effect of the talkers both carrying the game and being the ones lynched, and the absence of the others isn't noticed b/c so many people are talking.  Makes it nice and easy to hide as scum, at least at the beginning.

Have we someone really quiet exept Ichi though? I feel like everyone has introduced themselves fairly enough to not be lurkers per say. I can't read anyone scummy because they have been quiet, Ichi can often be gone for a while so it's not a tell on him.. It's early in D1 and we are still having a RVS-feeling to it all.

Seriously, I don't read chairs move as so very scummy, it just the best we have. I would like to have him L-1 to see what happens, but if someone else is closer I'm willing to change my vote just to push a wagon. D1 isn't my favorite-day.. 

PPEs

[faust]

Seriously, I don't read chairs move as so very scummy, it just the best we have. I would like to have him L-1 to see what happens, but if someone else is closer I'm willing to change my vote just to push a wagon. D1 isn't my favorite-day.. 

That's not a good attitude, you know.

[hockeysemlan]

Seriously, I don't read chairs move as so very scummy, it just the best we have. I would like to have him L-1 to see what happens, but if someone else is closer I'm willing to change my vote just to push a wagon. D1 isn't my favorite-day.. 

That's not a good attitude, you know.

How so? I don't say D1 isn't important. Just not so important you can judge semi-lurkers right now. Is D1 anyones favorite day?

[faust]

Seriously, I don't read chairs move as so very scummy, it just the best we have. I would like to have him L-1 to see what happens, but if someone else is closer I'm willing to change my vote just to push a wagon. D1 isn't my favorite-day.. 

That's not a good attitude, you know.

How so? I don't say D1 isn't important. Just not so important you can judge semi-lurkers right now. Is D1 anyones favorite day?

I mean the "uh, I'll just jump on any wagon that pops up" attitude.

[hockeysemlan]

Seriously, I don't read chairs move as so very scummy, it just the best we have. I would like to have him L-1 to see what happens, but if someone else is closer I'm willing to change my vote just to push a wagon. D1 isn't my favorite-day.. 

That's not a good attitude, you know.

How so? I don't say D1 isn't important. Just not so important you can judge semi-lurkers right now. Is D1 anyones favorite day?

I mean the "uh, I'll just jump on any wagon that pops up" attitude.

Stand by it. D1 that is. This big game, wagons scares noone unless they catch up to L1-big. It isn't scummy want to make it happen..

[faust]

Seriously, I don't read chairs move as so very scummy, it just the best we have. I would like to have him L-1 to see what happens, but if someone else is closer I'm willing to change my vote just to push a wagon. D1 isn't my favorite-day.. 

That's not a good attitude, you know.

How so? I don't say D1 isn't important. Just not so important you can judge semi-lurkers right now. Is D1 anyones favorite day?

I mean the "uh, I'll just jump on any wagon that pops up" attitude.

Stand by it. D1 that is. This big game, wagons scares noone unless they catch up to L1-big. It isn't scummy want to make it happen..

It's scummy to not take responsibility for your votes.

[hockeysemlan]

Seriously, I don't read chairs move as so very scummy, it just the best we have. I would like to have him L-1 to see what happens, but if someone else is closer I'm willing to change my vote just to push a wagon. D1 isn't my favorite-day.. 

That's not a good attitude, you know.

How so? I don't say D1 isn't important. Just not so important you can judge semi-lurkers right now. Is D1 anyones favorite day?

I mean the "uh, I'll just jump on any wagon that pops up" attitude.

Stand by it. D1 that is. This big game, wagons scares noone unless they catch up to L1-big. It isn't scummy want to make it happen..

It's scummy to not take responsibility for your votes.

Noted. Although, just saying I'm willing, if the crowd pushes someone obv!town (like grierk) I wont lay my vote there, but XP, Seprix and Chairs are all equally D1-scummy to me. Can't see why it's scummy of me to press up the heat on the options we're seeming to have today?

Look  It's merely D1-frustration from my part, I haven't noted anything interesting yet (except UoS comment about the empire but thats _TOTALLY_ OT. respect though)

Judge me for it if you want, but then people should watch you..

[Hydrad]

that makes it a bit better. So then you have some restriction on who your voting for. But I do agree with faust in how thats hard for us if you would just not care who you voted at all. That means we aren't able to see if your could be townier or scummier from votes and makes it so that your not commiting on anything really. Which is generally what scum wouldn't mind if they could get away with that without being called scummy.

[hockeysemlan]

that makes it a bit better. So then you have some restriction on who your voting for. But I do agree with faust in how thats hard for us if you would just not care who you voted at all. That means we aren't able to see if your could be townier or scummier from votes and makes it so that your not commiting on anything really. Which is generally what scum wouldn't mind if they could get away with that without being called scummy.

I won't inflate my votes. Chairs was my first real one and it stays there until I have something better to go for. I just want this game to get in to the real state as soon as possible. Couldn't care less if people thinks i'm scummy because of it..

[Ghacob]

if the crowd pushes someone obv!town (like grierk)

So you're not seeing newscum gkrieg?

[silverspawn]

if the crowd pushes someone obv!town (like grierk)

please, explain to me why grierk is obv!town. I find scummier than anyone else atm.

[Ichimaru Gin]

Ichi can often be gone for a while so it's not a tell on him.. It's early in D1 and we are still having a RVS-feeling to it all.

Hey! I used to be one of the most active players. But yeah, lately I have very little time  . I should be back to about my regular level starting around the end of the month.

I'm pretty much entirely caught up now, and I agree with how faust handled things.

[Ichimaru Gin]

This hasn't felt like a big game yet - hopefully after the holiday we will hear from our quieter players. It's great that we have a bunch of active players, but it can have the effect of the talkers both carrying the game and being the ones lynched, and the absence of the others isn't noticed b/c so many people are talking.  Makes it nice and easy to hide as scum, at least at the beginning.

EFHW talking the sense. I feel like it's hard to get lurkers lynched these days. For multiple reasons, but I always hear "that lynch doesn't give us information"--which is often the case unfortunately.

I'll try and step things up as much as is possible for me right now.

[gkrieg13]

I like how my name has changed 2 times already gkrieg -> gkreig -> grierk.  I would like to know why I appear scummy though.

[Seprix]

I like how my name has changed 2 times already gkrieg -> gkreig -> grierk.  I would like to know why I appear scummy though.

Probably your toeing the line of PR, Greek.

[gkrieg13]

I like how my name has changed 2 times already gkrieg -> gkreig -> grierk.  I would like to know why I appear scummy though.

Probably your toeing the line of PR, Greek.

I don't get it.