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[Haddock]

I remain unconvinced that alignment changes are a good idea.

Well it's not like we had any real evidence either way...

That's not a fault of the setup though, just the consequence of everyone being inactive.

Huh?
Inactivity had nothing to do with the lack of alignment changes in this game.

Also that's not the point. How can you comment about whether alignment changes are good on not based on this game?

[faust]

Also that's not the point. How can you comment about whether alignment changes are good on not based on this game?

Well, the way for scum to win was to force a situation that is basically a new vanilla game with 5 players and 1 scum. That didn't seem fun.

[iguanaiguana]

You could tweak the game where there is no final duel, and players just have to find the final scum. So only a duel as long as 2 or 3 scums are still alive.

You lose a little bit of the superfast pace with that tweak though.

[gkrieg13]

Also that's not the point. How can you comment about whether alignment changes are good on not based on this game?

Well, the way for scum to win was to force a situation that is basically a new vanilla game with 5 players and 1 scum. That didn't seem fun.

I agree. Especially because the last scum to flip wouldn't win. If I had changed alignment I would've just outed myself because there was no possible way of winning at that point.

[gkrieg13]

Also that's not the point. How can you comment about whether alignment changes are good on not based on this game?

Well, the way for scum to win was to force a situation that is basically a new vanilla game with 5 players and 1 scum. That didn't seem fun.

I agree. Especially because the last scum to flip wouldn't win. If I had changed alignment I would've just outed myself because there was no possible way of winning at that point.

Never mind. I totally read something that doesn't exist. Disregard what I said there.

[ashersky]

Thanks all, good game.  I enjoyed it.

I think gkrieg's fix is good.  I believe there is a still a way to make alignment changes work.

Thanks with the MVP, too.  That puts me in the all-time lead for MVP nods!

[Roadrunner7671]

Yay

[Haddock]

Thanks for the game silver. Really good.
I'm really happy with my reads this game. Maybe I should always pay that little attention.

[silverspawn]

Thanks for the game silver. Really good.
I'm really happy with my reads this game. Maybe I should always pay that little attention.

there might actually be truth to that. It's possible that in paying more attention you lose yourself in details, and that getting broad-stroke impressions of style yields better results.

Of course, it's also possible that it was variance.

[silverspawn]

Well, the way for scum to win was to force a situation that is basically a new vanilla game with 5 players and 1 scum.

Players kept saying that, but it's actually not true. It would have been a 3-1, not a 4-1, because one town player dies (duellist), one gets converted, and one is NK'd, so it takes 3 away. That means it'd have been a no-lynch followed by a final duel. Basically the game resets to a situation where you have one day time to chat, and then a duel, and whichever side wins that also wins the game.

[silverspawn]

I remain unconvinced that alignment changes are a good idea.

I was never convinced that they are, they were just the most practical solution to the problem you get in implementing duels: if scum wins, he just gets lynched the next day.

Another solution is to kill a big number of town players instead of converting one, but that has other problems.

[Haddock]

Thanks for the game silver. Really good.
I'm really happy with my reads this game. Maybe I should always pay that little attention.

there might actually be truth to that. It's possible that in paying more attention you lose yourself in details, and that getting broad-stroke impressions of style yields better results.

Of course, it's also possible that it was variance.

The last is the most likely.

You do succeed in nailing down my biggest problem with my town play; I often find (possible confirmation bias alert) that my gut reads are not so very terrible but I don't want to articulate my gut reads too often. Why? Hard to say. Fear of being wrong?  Knowing I won't be able to support them? Most likely it's because I know the expectation is to give proper rereads and deeper analysis so I attempt that, with varying success.

[J Reggie]

Well, the way for scum to win was to force a situation that is basically a new vanilla game with 5 players and 1 scum.

Players kept saying that, but it's actually not true. It would have been a 3-1, not a 4-1, because one town player dies (duellist), one gets converted, and one is NK'd, so it takes 3 away. That means it'd have been a no-lynch followed by a final duel. Basically the game resets to a situation where you have one day time to chat, and then a duel, and whichever side wins that also wins the game.

I guess I misunderstood the wording in the setup, because I thought the conversion was instead of a NK. Reading it again, I can see it either way, but it's still confusing.

I feel like scum played pretty badly here, myself included. Joseph was doing OK until he claimed scum.

[iguanaiguana]

Thanks for the game silver. Really good.
I'm really happy with my reads this game. Maybe I should always pay that little attention.

there might actually be truth to that. It's possible that in paying more attention you lose yourself in details, and that getting broad-stroke impressions of style yields better results.

Of course, it's also possible that it was variance.

The last is the most likely.

You do succeed in nailing down my biggest problem with my town play; I often find (possible confirmation bias alert) that my gut reads are not so very terrible but I don't want to articulate my gut reads too often. Why? Hard to say. Fear of being wrong?  Knowing I won't be able to support them? Most likely it's because I know the expectation is to give proper rereads and deeper analysis so I attempt that, with varying success.

I've been doing alright recently doing gut reads only and deeper analysis only when necessary.

[skip wooznum]

Well, the way for scum to win was to force a situation that is basically a new vanilla game with 5 players and 1 scum.

Players kept saying that, but it's actually not true. It would have been a 3-1, not a 4-1, because one town player dies (duellist), one gets converted, and one is NK'd, so it takes 3 away. That means it'd have been a no-lynch followed by a final duel. Basically the game resets to a situation where you have one day time to chat, and then a duel, and whichever side wins that also wins the game.

I guess I misunderstood the wording in the setup, because I thought the conversion was instead of a NK. Reading it again, I can see it either way, but it's still confusing.

I feel like scum played pretty badly here, myself included. Joseph was doing OK until he claimed scum.

you mean in his first post?

[skip wooznum]

Well, second post.

[J Reggie]

Well, the way for scum to win was to force a situation that is basically a new vanilla game with 5 players and 1 scum.

Players kept saying that, but it's actually not true. It would have been a 3-1, not a 4-1, because one town player dies (duellist), one gets converted, and one is NK'd, so it takes 3 away. That means it'd have been a no-lynch followed by a final duel. Basically the game resets to a situation where you have one day time to chat, and then a duel, and whichever side wins that also wins the game.

I guess I misunderstood the wording in the setup, because I thought the conversion was instead of a NK. Reading it again, I can see it either way, but it's still confusing.

I feel like scum played pretty badly here, myself included. Joseph was doing OK until he claimed scum.

you mean in his first post?

No, I mean at the end, which is why we lost.

[J Reggie]

Hey ss, would you be willing to look over an idea I had for a setup?

[silverspawn]

Hey ss, would you be willing to look over an idea I had for a setup?

I would! just send me a PM.