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[Emeric]

French distributor of Dominion (Ystari) make an article on his website with 2 events we doesn't know yet.
http://www.ystari.com/?p=3283

In French : Pistage -> In English : Tracking (?)
In French : Quête  -> In English : Quest (?)

Pistage/Tracking : cost $2
+1 buy, Look at the top 5 cards of your deck. Discard 3 and place the other cards on top of your deck in any order.

Quête/Quest : cost $0
You can discard one Attack card or 2 curses or any 6 cards. In this case, gain a gold

[Beyond Awesome]

That translation of Quest makes no sense.

Tracking seems pretty sweet. $2 seems a reasonable price tag for that ability.

EDIT: Hmm, well, if Quest is to be taken literally I guess that means you discard from your current hand. So, if you have an unused attack, get a free gold. Have two curses, get a free gold. Not bad actually. This also can make one think twice about going for a curser. Very interesting. The first time I read Quest, for some reason, I thought it was referring to your hand for the next turn. For the cost of $0, this is actually pretty darn strong. Sure, I will discard a Fortune Teller for a gold. 6 cards seems a bit trickier though.

[pacovf]

That translation of Quest makes no sense.

...it's easy to understand:

Quête/Quest : cost $0
You may discard one Attack card, or 2 curses, or any 6 cards. If you do, gain a Gold.

The fact that Quest still costs a buy makes it more expensive than it looks.

[Beyond Awesome]

That translation of Quest makes no sense.

...it's easy to understand:

Quête/Quest : cost $0
You may discard one Attack card, or 2 curses, or any 6 cards. If you do, gain a Gold.

The fact that Quest still costs a buy makes it more expensive than it looks.

My misunderstanding came from the fact that for some weird reason I thought it was referring to your hand for the next turn.

[Watno]

Quest should be good against Haunted Woods.

[Beyond Awesome]

Tracking seems like a card that really adds a lot of strategic depth. Man, this expansion is really going to make our heads hurt.

[markusin]

That translation of Quest makes no sense.

Tracking seems pretty sweet. $2 seems a reasonable price tag for that ability.

I was unable to find an example an example of an "if you do" clause in Dominion cards translated to French on google. I assume Quest(?) reads:

"You may discard an Attack Card, 2 Curses or any 6 cards. If you do, gain a gold."

How do you capture having to discard the specified amount of cards to get an effect. Like, do you actually have to trash 2 csrd s to get Mercenary's effect, or can you get the draw even if you only trash one card?

"Dans ce cas " really does translate to "in this case" though. Maybe that's just how those kinds of effects are written in French.

This event would mean you can still buy Gold with weak hands. Say you play a Smithy but still come up short on $6, you can just buy this event. The other conditions can come into play too of course.

[LastFootnote]

If you thought a double Ambassador opening was good before…

[Beyond Awesome]

If you thought a double Ambassador opening was good before…

That's one way to take care of Ambassador collision.

[Watno]

The more I think about it, the more I think the Attack option will be the most useful on Quest. You can overbuy terminal attacks without fear of collision

[LastFootnote]

The more I think about it, the more I think the Attack option will be the most useful on Quest. You can overbuy terminal attacks without fear of collision

It's certainly the option I've used most often, but I have used all three.

[LastFootnote]

If you thought a double Ambassador opening was good before…

That's one way to take care of Ambassador collision.

Now I'm starting to wonder if Ambassador/Stonemason(Ambassador/Ambassador) is a good opening on a board with Baker and Quest.

[AJD]

If you thought a double Ambassador opening was good before…

That's one way to take care of Ambassador collision.

Now I'm starting to wonder if Ambassador/Stonemason(Ambassador/Ambassador) is a good opening on a board with Baker and Quest.

…You still want your Ambassadors to line up with pairs of Copper or Estate, right?

[jsh357]

I guess there is no harm in stating those translations are, though not perfect, accurate to what the cards do.  I'll let you guys speculate on the name of the first one, though.

Quest is hilarious with Tunnel, btw.

[werothegreat]

Guess we already have a couple translations!

[liopoil]

I'm really happy that there are more free events/ones that give a buy, because I didn't want borrow to be the only one.

I don't see myself having 6 cards I'm willing to discard for a gold very often.

[jsh357]

I'm really happy that there are more free events/ones that give a buy, because I didn't want borrow to be the only one.

I don't see myself having 6 cards I'm willing to discard for a gold very often.

Imagine you're in a bad slog, but you have some draw.  Every now and then, you draw enough bad cards to justify this.  Quest is a neat card in Cursing games in general.

[markusin]

I'm really happy that there are more free events/ones that give a buy, because I didn't want borrow to be the only one.

I don't see myself having 6 cards I'm willing to discard for a gold very often.

What if you were looking to buy a Gold anyway, but came short on cash. But yeah, the other options feel more natural.

[pacovf]

"Dans ce cas " really does translate to "in this case" though. Maybe that's just how those kinds of effects are written in French.

That's how it's translated (check "Prêteur sur Gages", for example). Otherwise they would have to write "Si vous le faites", which is a bit longer.

I don't see myself having 6 cards I'm willing to discard for a gold very often.

BM+Terminal Draw? Especially with Witch.

[Kirian]

I'm really happy that there are more free events/ones that give a buy, because I didn't want borrow to be the only one.

I don't see myself having 6 cards I'm willing to discard for a gold very often.

I've done this many times with Vault.  It's common to not discard the Coppers... but you might as well.  Same thing here, those three Coppers and three greens weren't doing much for you, take a Gold instead.

[liopoil]

Uhh, so sounds like none of you 4 are actually dissagreeing with me. I said not very often... and note that in thise same scenarios I am also reasonably likely to have two curse or an attack card. Sometimes you won't have those things and you'll have to use the third option, but that won't be very often.

[werothegreat]

If you don't have an Attack or Curse or 6 cards in hand, can you still buy a Quest to just discard as many cards as you can?

[jsh357]

If you don't have an Attack or Curse or 6 cards in hand, can you still buy a Quest to just discard as many cards as you can?

Yes.  Hence the amazing synergy with Tunnel.

[Emeric]

When there is no more curse, my SeaHag go in a quest trying to imitate Soothsayer !

[pacovf]

Uhh, so sounds like none of you 4 are actually dissagreeing with me. I said not very often... and note that in thise same scenarios I am also reasonably likely to have two curse or an attack card. Sometimes you won't have those things and you'll have to use the third option, but that won't be very often.

I don't think you are going to discard your attack card unless it's dead in your hand.

I think all +2 cards Actions are going to be good with Quest in BM, but special mention on Courtyard.

[Orange]

You buy Lost City.  My hand is meh.  I Quest a Gold.

[enfynet]

You buy Lost City.  My hand is meh.  I Quest a Gold.

T1 Gold because you had a 2/5 split? Now you have a (slim) chance at T2 $7? Nice.

[Gveoniz]

Pistage turns a normal 5/2 opening into a 3/2+ , potentially 3/6 and more

[werothegreat]

Also, unlike Borrow, you can buy as many Trackings as you like.

[pacovf]

One "problem" with "Pistage" is that you have to buy it before whatever else you want to buy, which might cause that whatever to miss the reshuffle.

[faust]

Also, unlike Borrow, you can buy as many Trackings as you like.

I guess it's a good thing that cost reducers don't work on events then.

[TheOthin]

One nice thing about Quest is that, unlike Trade, you don't have to also be playing cards from your hand to pay for it.

[Tables]

You buy Lost City.  My hand is meh.  I Quest a Gold.

T1 Gold because you had a 2/5 split? Now you have a (slim) chance at T2 $7? Nice.

Inheritance makes this sound like a lot of fun. Now you can open Gold/Tournament/Tournament/Tournament and 'get rid' of 3 Estates in the process.

[shmeur]

Pistage doesn't look that strong (at least early game) imo.  Quest, on the other hand, is strong but only early game.

[pacovf]

[Witherweaver]

So you can Quest just to discard, even if you don't have six cards? 

[Witherweaver]

If you don't have an Attack or Curse or 6 cards in hand, can you still buy a Quest to just discard as many cards as you can?

Hmm.. what if you do have an Attack or Curses in hand?  Can you discard your entire hand and "trigger" any of the clauses? 

[GendoIkari]

If you don't have an Attack or Curse or 6 cards in hand, can you still buy a Quest to just discard as many cards as you can?

Sure. But you wouldn't gain a gold. Could be a way to activate Tunnel or defense against Haunted Woods.

[platykurtic]

Quest could really turn some slogs into big money games. Imagine a board that would end up just a curse slog with Witch. Now any hand with a Witch or two Curses equals a Gold. Your deck will be flooded, and the game will probably end on Provinces super quick

[eHalcyon]

One "problem" with "Pistage" is that you have to buy it before whatever else you want to buy, which might cause that whatever to miss the reshuffle.

If you have +Buy of your own, you can buy something else first.




Quest reminds me a lot of Vault (which Kirian already mentioned) as long as you have any +2 Cards draw.  The big difference is that Quest will only ever get you to Gold while Vault gets you to Province or better pretty quickly.  That should make Quest+BM significantly weaker.

[Beyond Awesome]

Pistage doesn't look that strong (at least early game) imo.  Quest, on the other hand, is strong but only early game.

On a 5/2, it can be pretty awesome. It makes those 3 estates and 2 coppers miss the shuffle, plus it sifts through your deck to help you get to your 5 guaranteed turn 3.

[AJD]

If you don't have an Attack or Curse or 6 cards in hand, can you still buy a Quest to just discard as many cards as you can?

Hmm.. what if you do have an Attack or Curses in hand?  Can you discard your entire hand and "trigger" any of the clauses?

Hmm, good question! Let's make it concrete:

Suppose I have nothing but an Ambassador and a Tunnel in hand when I buy Quest. Is it possible for me to gain two Golds?
1. I opt to discard "any six cards".
2. I "do as much as I can", discarding two cards, gaining a Gold for my Tunnel.
3. The Event says "if you do…". If you do what? "Discard an Attack, two Curses, or any six cards". Well, I did that! As it turns out, I discarded an Attack! So I gain Gold from the Event.

…My guess is no, this doesn't work; but I've been wrong before.

[Jimmmmm]

I love how we're referring to it as Pistage. I hope that sticks.

[pacovf]

I for one am having a hard time not referring to it as Pistache.

[Witherweaver]

Clearly it should be Pistachio.

[Witherweaver]

If you don't have an Attack or Curse or 6 cards in hand, can you still buy a Quest to just discard as many cards as you can?

Hmm.. what if you do have an Attack or Curses in hand?  Can you discard your entire hand and "trigger" any of the clauses?

Hmm, good question! Let's make it concrete:

Suppose I have nothing but an Ambassador and a Tunnel in hand when I buy Quest. Is it possible for me to gain two Golds?
1. I opt to discard "any six cards".
2. I "do as much as I can", discarding two cards, gaining a Gold for my Tunnel.
3. The Event says "if you do…". If you do what? "Discard an Attack, two Curses, or any six cards". Well, I did that! As it turns out, I discarded an Attack! So I gain Gold from the Event.

…My guess is no, this doesn't work; but I've been wrong before.

Thus is my guess, too.  I first select one of A, B, C, attempt to follow. and then check if I successfully did what I selected. 

[WanderingWinder]

I for one am having a hard time not referring to it as Pistache.

I keep thinking Pastiche.

[jaketheyak]

My guesses for the English name of Pistage are either Hunt or Pursuit.

[Witherweaver]

Thanks Buzz Killington

[Mezi-Crochet]

"Dans ce cas " really does translate to "in this case" though. Maybe that's just how those kinds of effects are written in French.

Dans ce cas is the translation of if you do in dominion language... I confirm!

[Mezi-Crochet]

My guesses for the English name of Pistage are either Hunt or Pursuit.

I'm francophone, I would say than Pistage is more the translation of tracking than hunt, Pursuit is also a good fit...

I would guess than the translation will be tracking, but will see

[Witherweaver]

My guesses for the English name of Pistage are either Hunt or Pursuit.

I'm francophone, I would say than Pistage is more the translation of tracking than hunt, Pursuit is also a good fit...

I would guess than the translation will be tracking, but will see

I don't think gerund is used for Dominion titles.

[Kirian]

Tracking
$1 - Event - Hunter

Look at the top 3 cards of your deck.  Draw one and discard the others.

[Witherweaver]

Tracking
$1 - Event - Hunter

Look at the top 3 cards of your deck.  Draw one and discard the othersput the top two back on top of your deck in any order.

Wishing Well is aided by good Tracking!

[Just a Rube]

Clearly it should be Pistachio.

But how does it combo with Bacon Cheeseburger?

[jaketheyak]

My guesses for the English name of Pistage are either Hunt or Pursuit.

I'm francophone, I would say than Pistage is more the translation of tracking than hunt, Pursuit is also a good fit...

I would guess than the translation will be tracking, but will see

I think the most direct translation is Tracking, but this strongly suggests that it's not the correct name for the card in English:

I guess there is no harm in stating those translations are, though not perfect, accurate to what the cards do.  I'll let you guys speculate on the name of the first one, though.

To me the art looks like a group hunting a person or animal.
The guy at the front is a tracker searching for footprints.

[werothegreat]

I can see Tracking setting up a Doctor overpay.

[Asper]

Seems like Quest is as close to an alternative Curse as we'll get, don't you think? I mean, it gives them the ability to gain Golds and in turn adds the same ability to Cursers - so you don't skip Cursers because of Quest, i assume. The six card clause seems more like a "what if there's no attacks" thing to me. I'm not saying that's the order in which things will matter, maybe six cards are more often used than attacks, or attacks more often than Curses. Just concept-wise, that's the vibe i get from Quest.

Edit: Missused "as close as it gets" as "as close as we'll get".

[joel88s]

My guesses for the English name of Pistage are either Hunt or Pursuit.

I'm francophone, I would say than Pistage is more the translation of tracking than hunt, Pursuit is also a good fit...

I would guess than the translation will be tracking, but will see

I think the most direct translation is Tracking, but this strongly suggests that it's not the correct name for the card in English:

I guess there is no harm in stating those translations are, though not perfect, accurate to what the cards do.  I'll let you guys speculate on the name of the first one, though.

To me the art looks like a group hunting a person or animal.
The guy at the front is a tracker searching for footprints.

It's always possible the name is something very idiomatic in English that had to be loosely translated (like 'Goons', e.g.) I'm having trouble thinking what though. Thought maybe something like 'Sleuth' but that doesn't go with the picture you describe. Based on that, Tracker seems a fair bet though.

[shmeur]

It could just be "Track" tbh.

[jdgordon]

I guess it's a good thing that cost reducers don't work on events then.

wait what? Why not?

[eHalcyon]

I guess it's a good thing that cost reducers don't work on events then.

wait what? Why not?

Because the cost reducers reduce the cost of all cards.  Events aren't cards.

[jdgordon]

right, ok. ta

[Gherald]

Hey guys, I found a closeup shot!

[ipofanes]

If you thought a double Ambassador opening was good before…

That's one way to take care of Ambassador collision.

Now I'm starting to wonder if Ambassador/Stonemason(Ambassador/Ambassador) is a good opening on a board with Baker and Quest.

…You still want your Ambassadors to line up with pairs of Copper or Estate, right?

Plus if you have an Ambassador/Ambassador/Quest collision, you'd still have to decide between using Quest to gain gold against using Ambassador for shoving back those coppers/estates. Either way, at least one card remains useless. I really don't know what the benefit over an Ambassador collision sans Quête would be.

[Gherald]

Uhm guys, Quest is an event. This all happens on the same turn:

1) You draw double Amb and CCE or EEC
2) You return CC or EE with the first Amb
3) You buy a Quest for $0 and discard the second Amb, to gain a Gold

[ipofanes]

Of course. My bad.

[Grujah]

Open Village/Village on  Quest board

[Witherweaver]

If you thought a double Ambassador opening was good before…

Wow, I didn't even think about Quest's utility for terminal (Attack) collision in the beginning of the game.

[ipofanes]

How would Quête affect a Torturer pin strategy? Getting one Gold for two Curses is still Copper density, plus you lose the option of discarding two Curses to the third Torturer.

[Awaclus]

How would Quête affect a Torturer pin strategy? Getting one Gold for two Curses is still Copper density, plus you lose the option of discarding two Curses to the third Torturer.

You still need to spend a buy for it, so unless you have more +buy in your deck than you need, that's not very good.

[mborda]

Are the English names confirmed?

[ipofanes]

How would Quête affect a Torturer pin strategy? Getting one Gold for two Curses is still Copper density, plus you lose the option of discarding two Curses to the third Torturer.

You still need to spend a buy for it, so unless you have more +buy in your deck than you need, that's not very good.

Gaining a Gold when you have less than €6 in hand is often an attractive option.

[Watno]

I guess there is no harm in stating those translations are, though not perfect, accurate to what the cards do.  I'll let you guys speculate on the name of the first one, though.

So Quest is confirmed, Tracking is confirmed wrong.

[jaketheyak]

Hey guys, I found a closeup shot!

OMG, you freakin' nailed it!
Scouting Party.

[Emeric]

French Editor continue his own preview for french player and show an event with a big translation mistake :
For the "Ferry" Event, the translation give by the french editor is : "Placez votre jeton "-2" sur une pile de cartes Actions de la réserve (désormais, pendant vos tours, les cartes de cette pile vous coûtent 2 de moins, mais jamais moins que 0)".

If I translate again this sentence in english it means : "Move your "-2" token to an action supplu pile (cards from that pile cost for you 2 less on your turns, but not less than 0)"

This litte "for you" ("vous" in french) added in the sentence change the rule of this event.

You can see the card here : http://www.ystari.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/Capture-d%E2%80%99e%CC%81cran-2015-04-22-a%CC%80-12.29.41.png

[Awaclus]

That's a big translation mistake.

for you

[shmeur]

What is the French title for Duplicate btw?  Is it Dupliquer? Or a noun? 

[GendoIkari]

French Editor continue his own preview for french player and show an event with a big translation mistake :
For the "Ferry" Event, the translation give by the french editor is : "Placez votre jeton "-2" sur une pile de cartes Actions de la réserve (désormais, pendant vos tours, les cartes de cette pile vous coûtent 2 de moins, mais jamais moins que 0)".

If I translate again this sentence in english it means : "Move your "-2" token to an action supplu pile (cards from that pile cost for you 2 less on your turns, but not less than 0)"

This litte "for you" ("vous" in french) added in the sentence change the rule of this event.

You can see the card here : http://www.ystari.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/Capture-d%E2%80%99e%CC%81cran-2015-04-22-a%CC%80-12.29.41.png

Well it will lead to some people asking questions that are hopefully clarified in the FAQ, but it's really just more ambiguous/confusing than flat-out wrong. It doesn't say "your cards", it says "for you"... and "for you" is a meaningless and undefined concept in Dominion. When I play Swinder with the token on Swindler, my opponent's Mountebank costs $3, and the French wording doesn't contradict. It's just that it's "for me" that his Mountebank costs $3. So I replace it with a $3, because it costs $3 "for me."

[eHalcyon]

French Editor continue his own preview for french player and show an event with a big translation mistake :
For the "Ferry" Event, the translation give by the french editor is : "Placez votre jeton "-2" sur une pile de cartes Actions de la réserve (désormais, pendant vos tours, les cartes de cette pile vous coûtent 2 de moins, mais jamais moins que 0)".

If I translate again this sentence in english it means : "Move your "-2" token to an action supplu pile (cards from that pile cost for you 2 less on your turns, but not less than 0)"

This litte "for you" ("vous" in french) added in the sentence change the rule of this event.

You can see the card here : http://www.ystari.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/Capture-d%E2%80%99e%CC%81cran-2015-04-22-a%CC%80-12.29.41.png

Well it will lead to some people asking questions that are hopefully clarified in the FAQ, but it's really just more ambiguous/confusing than flat-out wrong. It doesn't say "your cards", it says "for you"... and "for you" is a meaningless and undefined concept in Dominion. When I play Swinder with the token on Swindler, my opponent's Mountebank costs $3, and the French wording doesn't contradict. It's just that it's "for me" that his Mountebank costs $3. So I replace it with a $3, because it costs $3 "for me."

In this setup, if you play Saboteur instead of Swindler and hit Mountebank, your opponent chooses a replacement.  So if Mountebank is only $3 for you, that means it is $5 for your opponent and she could choose Silver as the replacement?

[pacovf]

As written, what is implied is that cards from that pile cost 2$ less when you buy them.

So, hopefully the FAQ clarifies it. It's still going to cause issues when you get that event out with players that haven't read the rulebook. Ugh.

[Asper]

French Editor continue his own preview for french player and show an event with a big translation mistake :
For the "Ferry" Event, the translation give by the french editor is : "Placez votre jeton "-2" sur une pile de cartes Actions de la réserve (désormais, pendant vos tours, les cartes de cette pile vous coûtent 2 de moins, mais jamais moins que 0)".

If I translate again this sentence in english it means : "Move your "-2" token to an action supplu pile (cards from that pile cost for you 2 less on your turns, but not less than 0)"

This litte "for you" ("vous" in french) added in the sentence change the rule of this event.

You can see the card here : http://www.ystari.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/Capture-d%E2%80%99e%CC%81cran-2015-04-22-a%CC%80-12.29.41.png

Well it will lead to some people asking questions that are hopefully clarified in the FAQ, but it's really just more ambiguous/confusing than flat-out wrong. It doesn't say "your cards", it says "for you"... and "for you" is a meaningless and undefined concept in Dominion. When I play Swinder with the token on Swindler, my opponent's Mountebank costs $3, and the French wording doesn't contradict. It's just that it's "for me" that his Mountebank costs $3. So I replace it with a $3, because it costs $3 "for me."

In this setup, if you play Saboteur instead of Swindler and hit Mountebank, your opponent chooses a replacement.  So if Mountebank is only $3 for you, that means it is $5 for your opponent and she could choose Silver as the replacement?

What if you play Saboteur and she reveals a Swindler? Does it cost $3 or more? What if you play Swindler and she reveals a Cellar? Does she gain a Curse? It's more than just ambigous/confusing.

Edit: Also, can't you translate it as "they cost you", too? That shifts the emphasis to "when you try to buy or gain them".

[Emeric]

The French translator maintains that his version is correct (here in french http://www.trictrac.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=141913&p=2261830#p2261496). He explains that he even asked Donald X. validate that tokens are applicable only to player who played it and I think he hurt interpret the response of Donald X.

It is sad to know before the French version release that there is an error in it.

[Asper]

Well... "Vouz" can be translated to "y'all", can't it? Probably inconsistent, though.

[Emeric]

French editor just write on his blog that Adventure will arrive in october in France.

[werothegreat]

I find it hilarious that Reserve cards are called "Tavern" cards in French.

[Voltaire]

I find it hilarious that Reserve cards are called "Tavern" cards in French.

I find it sensible! I call the Tavern mat the Reserve mat, because why in the world is it the Tavern mat anyway. It just needs one thing.

[Seprix]

I've been doing some thinking, and this Event is hella strong in Bm decks with Courtyard and Gear. Insta-Gold as quick as T3, and you can top deck/set-aside your best economy card (like more Gold) even!