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[silverspawn]

oh and also, can you double vote now?

[Delirious Deleuze]

survivors are cool. extremely cool. faust is the kind of player who may see how cool they are and construct a setup around them. that is to say, I believe all survivor claims. not as in, I'm really sure, but as in, I believe them. Lots of survivors are a neat setup idea, and that seems to be what's going on here.

@ DeDe / hockey : if you are survivor-masons, claim it now!
@ UoS: what if scum roleblocks you tonight?
@ Everyone voting ash: why are you voting ash? I think I missed something.

No we are just town. Again, see mail-mi, see UoS and my PM.

PPE(1): still prefer ash today, awaclus at night (scum wouldn't role block this, why would they?), UoS tomorrow.

[A Drowned Kernel]

awaclus at night (scum wouldn't role block this, why would they?)

Why wouldn't they? He's confirmed non-town, they probably want to keep him alive regardless of whether he's actually aligned with them. Survivors could very well help scum win and all this discussion revolving around them is distracting from actual scumhunting.

[silverspawn]

Survivors could very well help scum win and all this discussion revolving around them is distracting from actual scumhunting.

true, but more important is that we would probably lynch awaclus if he doesn't get shot, which is massively good for scum

no, I'm pretty sure the only way he doesn't get RB'd is if scum can't RB, which I would give like a 30% chance.

[faust]

Vote Count 4.7

Awaclus (4): UmbrageOfSnow, A Drowned Kernel, mail-mi, 2.71828.....
ashersky (3): Delirious Deleuze, hockeysemlan, chairs

Not Voting (3): ashersky, Awaclus, Hydrad

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch. Day 4 ends July 20 at 6 am forum time.

[chairs]

I'm pretty sure hockey is voting for ash.

[UmbrageOfSnow]

@ UoS: what if scum roleblocks you tonight?

This is possible, but it's no more possible than when you were announcing the same power.

Okay, I won't say anything more about your role.

I do know what you are talking about, and I think I can still kill Awaclus based on some Day 2 stuff I was looking at last week.  I think X triggered for a different reason.  Can't say more without claiming stuff about your role, but you may be able to intuit where I'm going with this?

I don't have your entire PM, but I have the powers section, stripped of the flavor titles.

I don't believe you were roleblocked last night.  But if you were (which I can't claim any reason why it's not possible, I'm going on a hunch here) then the same plan would have failed with you having your power.

Alas, I cannot double vote.

[UmbrageOfSnow]

I'm pretty sure hockey is voting for ash.

This time it's not my fault!

[silverspawn]

This is possible, but it's no more possible than when you were announcing the same power.

well, I was trying to make it sound like it was one shot and I used it up, so it kind of is.

I do know what you are talking about, and I think I can still kill Awaclus based on some Day 2 stuff I was looking at last week.  I think X triggered for a different reason.  Can't say more without claiming stuff about your role, but you may be able to intuit where I'm going with this?

yes, except I don't know what the day 2 stuff is, but I don't need to know that. Okay, cool.

[Awaclus]

Why would you vig me after ash flips non-town though?

[silverspawn]

Why would you vig me after ash flips non-town though?

if he flips scum, vigging you may be questionable. If he flips survivor though... your flip is pretty informative. we might see if you have a cop power.

[silverspawn]

and if he flips town, well...

[Awaclus]

Why would you vig me after ash flips non-town though?

if he flips scum, vigging you may be questionable. If he flips survivor though... your flip is pretty informative. we might see if you have a cop power.

You'll see that I'm an Aura-reading Karaoke Bar Host, which has already been confirmed by mail-mi anyway.

[Delirious Deleuze]

Why would you vig me after ash flips non-town though?

if he flips scum, vigging you may be questionable. If he flips survivor though... your flip is pretty informative. we might see if you have a cop power.

You'll see that I'm an Aura-reading Karaoke Bar Host, which has already been confirmed by mail-mi anyway.

If he flips town, you're just kind of toast.

If he flips anything else, then you'll be better off. If survivor, then I'm leaning to big someone else (I think he's scum though). If scum, well I hope for some apologies followed by a big shot on someone unknown (e or SS preferably) and then lynch UoS tomorrow.

[Delirious Deleuze]

Vig* not big. Autocorrect

[UmbrageOfSnow]

well, I was trying to make it sound like it was one shot and I used it up, so it kind of is.

It looked to me like most iterations of The Plan™ were already assuming you could still vig people though.  I mean I stole your power expressly for the reason that I assumed you could still vig people so I could force the game into a situation where it was more useful to keep me alive than to kill me.

Doesn't matter at this point I guess.  I'm just not so sure scum actually have a roleblocker as such.  But that's setup spec from looking at a bunch of PMs, and it's just a hunch anyway.

If Ash flips Vampire, I can vig someone that isn't Awaclus if people really want.

[UmbrageOfSnow]

If I were to vig SS, that would be blatantly anti-town.  I'll do it if town wants, but I'm telling you the pony is on your side.

[Awaclus]

Wait a minute though.

when you see my flip, Awaclus still needs to come before any other nonsense.

Why does lynching me make any difference for survivor!UoS who's already dead?

[Delirious Deleuze]

well, I was trying to make it sound like it was one shot and I used it up, so it kind of is.

It looked to me like most iterations of The Plan™ were already assuming you could still vig people though.  I mean I stole your power expressly for the reason that I assumed you could still vig people so I could force the game into a situation where it was more useful to keep me alive than to kill me.

Doesn't matter at this point I guess.  I'm just not so sure scum actually have a roleblocker as such.  But that's setup spec from looking at a bunch of PMs, and it's just a hunch anyway.

If Ash flips Vampire, I can vig someone that isn't Awaclus if people really want.

I'd prefer that, personally, because it means he's probably a survivor and I think his powers have been monumentally helpful this far if that's the case.

If I were to vig SS, that would be blatantly anti-town.  I'll do it if town wants, but I'm telling you the pony is on your side.

I'd more prefer e if ash is scum, but I'm just not completely sold on SS yet. Still he'd be my second option in a scum!ash world

Wait a minute though.

when you see my flip, Awaclus still needs to come before any other nonsense.

Why does lynching me make any difference for survivor!UoS who's already dead?

He was pretending to be town at this point

[UmbrageOfSnow]

Wait a minute though.

when you see my flip, Awaclus still needs to come before any other nonsense.

Why does lynching me make any difference for survivor!UoS who's already dead?

I never claimed survivor.

[UmbrageOfSnow]

I'd prefer that, personally, because it means he's probably a survivor and I think his powers have been monumentally helpful this far if that's the case.

So Awaclus is monumentally helpful to town, but I'm an autolynch?  How does that work?

[Awaclus]

He was pretending to be town at this point

I think this was pretty clear breadcrumbing though:

I do not have the vampire win con, so please lynch Awaclus for lying.

If I flip and you don't see "Vampire-aligned" that should be an INSTANT red flag

[Awaclus]

I'd prefer that, personally, because it means he's probably a survivor and I think his powers have been monumentally helpful this far if that's the case.

So Awaclus is monumentally helpful to town, but I'm an autolynch?  How does that work?

Well, I might have been somewhat guilty of some anti-town play in the early game, but I've been super helpful lately, and I have very useful investigation results already, and I have the ability to acquire more very useful investigation results in the future. Meanwhile, you've tried your best to ruin the plan which was supposed to be an autowin for town.

[Delirious Deleuze]

I'd prefer that, personally, because it means he's probably a survivor and I think his powers have been monumentally helpful this far if that's the case.

So Awaclus is monumentally helpful to town, but I'm an autolynch?  How does that work?

Well, I might have been somewhat guilty of some anti-town play in the early game, but I've been super helpful lately, and I have very useful investigation results already, and I have the ability to acquire more very useful investigation results in the future. Meanwhile, you've tried your best to ruin the plan which was supposed to be an autowin for town.

Also we don't know your win con at all, so I have no idea how easy it will be for you to flip sidrs

[UmbrageOfSnow]

But you've lied about investigation results, and mine are possibly more useful.

Because we can verify that I'm at least not making it up.

And as Ash was pointing out, your plan was not really an autowin.  If it is, you could still do the exact same thing with me having the vig shot.  But that plan's full of holes, just everyone was sheeping it.

Lying about cop-results is definitely anti-town.