Topic: RMM25: Buffy/Angel Mafia (Game over - Vampires win!) (Read 262152 times)

Awaclus · « **Reply #2300 on:** July 13, 2015, 11:29:27 am »

Quote from: hockeysemlan on July 13, 2015, 10:55:49 am

Chairs, why Ashersky? Isn't he confirmed town or at least pro-town right now?

He is confirmed non-town.

faust · « **Reply #2301 on:** July 13, 2015, 11:31:02 am »

Vote Count 4.6

UmbrageOfSnow (1): 2.71828......
Awaclus (4): UmbrageOfSnow, A Drowned Kernel, mail-mi, chairs
ashersky (1): Delirious Deleuze

Not Voting (4): ashersky, Awaclus, Hydrad, hockeysemlan

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch. Day 4 ends July 20 at 6 am forum time.

Delirious Deleuze · « **Reply #2302 on:** July 13, 2015, 11:34:12 am »

Quote from: chairs on July 13, 2015, 11:28:32 am

Okay, so I know why I'm up for voting ash (even if i can't quite put it into words), but maybe you can explain better than I can - why are you interested in lynching ash?

I believe awaclus. In response to SS he actually did just say that UoS was not town and I don't see why scum would include that random change and not continue bussing. In fact, he was right about UoS to a large degree (not being town, that is) which makes me feel better believing him here. Why would scum push so hard for a survivor lynch? Doesn't make sense. UoS was also able to corroborate the Ichi thing, so there's that, and that puts ash in a bad light.

I can't really explain all my thoughts here, but with PoE based on mail-mi and what just went down, I believe awaclus as being a third party (thereby I have to believe UoS) and so that leaves me with Ash, e, SS, and chairs. With this new info, ash seems to be the scum.

2.71828..... · « **Reply #2303 on:** July 13, 2015, 11:36:41 am »

Quote from: ashersky on July 13, 2015, 09:08:36 am

So...Awaclus lied a bunch, is what we're seeing?

Yes?

Delirious Deleuze · « **Reply #2304 on:** July 13, 2015, 11:40:18 am »

Quote from: 2.71828..... on July 13, 2015, 11:36:41 am

Quote from: ashersky on July 13, 2015, 09:08:36 am
So...Awaclus lied a bunch, is what we're seeing?

Yes?

Well also that UoS lied a bunch and possibly ash lied a bunch.

2.71828..... · « **Reply #2305 on:** July 13, 2015, 11:43:01 am »

So, ichi is confirmed non town (since he is dead). Now UoS , awaclus, and ashersky are all non town, but we don't know who is scum and who is third party.

I think?

Awaclus · « **Reply #2306 on:** July 13, 2015, 11:45:55 am »

It's a long game, but I think everyone should go re-read now before we decide who to lynch and what to do tonight.

chairs · « **Reply #2307 on:** July 13, 2015, 11:48:41 am »

vote: ashersky. I voted off ash to awaclus on the presumption that it wasn't possible he'd be the lynch, but he's definitely my preferred lynch.

hockeysemlan · « **Reply #2308 on:** July 13, 2015, 11:53:40 am »

Vote: Ashersky

Off to rereading.

2.71828..... · « **Reply #2309 on:** July 13, 2015, 11:57:55 am »

vote: awaclus

I think lynching awaclus works better than ashersky. Also, I don't have time to reread like I would want. Sorry, but work is super busy. This and other ongoing games will probably be my last for a while.

Delirious Deleuze · « **Reply #2310 on:** July 13, 2015, 12:05:36 pm »

Also I say we autolynch UoS tomorrow unless he tells us his win con, because I am not going to let a survivor win without being able to ensure their win con is on my side.

A Drowned Kernel · « **Reply #2311 on:** July 13, 2015, 12:22:59 pm »

I'm in favor of lynching any and all claimed non-towns. I'm also willing to lynch ash under the idea that even though awaclus keeps changing his story, it's entirely plausible he's throwing out information that he actually has to try and save his own skin.

UmbrageOfSnow · « **Reply #2312 on:** July 13, 2015, 12:28:04 pm »

Quote from: Delirious Deleuze on July 13, 2015, 12:05:36 pm

Also I say we autolynch UoS tomorrow unless he tells us his win con, because I am not going to let a survivor win without being able to ensure their win con is on my side.

It seems likely scum have a way to start QTs with non-town. If I announce my wincon, scum can hold it over me as much as town can. I'd rather not be in that bind, and frankly, town would rather not have me in that bind.

Awaclus · « **Reply #2313 on:** July 13, 2015, 12:37:18 pm »

Quote from: UmbrageOfSnow on July 13, 2015, 12:28:04 pm

It seems likely scum have a way to start QTs with non-town.

How does that seem likely?

Delirious Deleuze · « **Reply #2314 on:** July 13, 2015, 12:50:48 pm »

Quote from: Awaclus on July 13, 2015, 12:37:18 pm

Quote from: UmbrageOfSnow on July 13, 2015, 12:28:04 pm
It seems likely scum have a way to start QTs with non-town.

How does that seem likely?

I think it could be possible, but then they'll do it anyway and just get all non townies on their side.

UmbrageOfSnow · « **Reply #2315 on:** July 13, 2015, 01:07:41 pm »

Quote from: Delirious Deleuze on July 13, 2015, 12:50:48 pm

I think it could be possible, but then they'll do it anyway and just get all non townies on their side.

This is exactly what I was saying though. If they have leverage, they can get all the non-town on their side. The QT power could allow for blatant threats.

I can more easily win if scum don't have leverage over me. In every game I will always play to my win condition.

If I think town is more likely to win, and I can help a town win in exchange for not being lynched while I do my thing, that's best for me and best for town.

If scum can guarantee my loss for going against them, and I think my chances to win with them are slim but non-zero, I will have to do everything in my power to help scum.

I'd rather maximize my winning chances (in every game ever).

Delirious Deleuze · « **Reply #2316 on:** July 13, 2015, 01:10:19 pm »

Quote from: UmbrageOfSnow on July 13, 2015, 01:07:41 pm

Quote from: Delirious Deleuze on July 13, 2015, 12:50:48 pm
I think it could be possible, but then they'll do it anyway and just get all non townies on their side.

This is exactly what I was saying though. If they have leverage, they can get all the non-town on their side. The QT power could allow for blatant threats.

I can more easily win if scum don't have leverage over me. In every game I will always play to my win condition.

If I think town is more likely to win, and I can help a town win in exchange for not being lynched while I do my thing, that's best for me and best for town.

If scum can guarantee my loss for going against them, and I think my chances to win with them are slim but non-zero, I will have to do everything in my power to help scum.

I'd rather maximize my winning chances (in every game ever).

My point is that they can make a QT now and just ask you/threaten you, and in that case they have a channel of communication with you and info we don't have. We can also play to your win con if you let us.

Delirious Deleuze · « **Reply #2317 on:** July 13, 2015, 01:13:42 pm »

Because there's zero incentive if they just make a QT for you to not tell them your win con and have them help you. And we'll never know.

Unless awaclus wants to confirm that it's not really something that works like that?

UmbrageOfSnow · « **Reply #2318 on:** July 13, 2015, 01:24:15 pm »

There is a metric fucktonne (2 n's because metric) of incentive for me not to claim wincon to scum.

It's not in scum's best interest to night kill me even if I'm not helping them, I'm a source of chaos and distraction and town's reasonably likely to lynch me at some point anyway. And sticks are more useful than carrots in this game I'm afraid.

Why would anyone help the losing team just because they ask nicely? (Both scum and I are losing teams right now.)

Anyway, I'm not going to claim, that maximizes my winning chances. And it maximizes yours too.

Awaclus has already admitted he can't see wincons, that's something he was lying about this whole time, as I've pointed out a bunch. You've got some serious confirmation bias going on with regard to him by the way.

Anyway, have you used your third power yet?

Awaclus · « **Reply #2319 on:** July 13, 2015, 01:28:43 pm »

Quote from: UmbrageOfSnow on July 13, 2015, 01:24:15 pm

Awaclus has already admitted he can't see wincons, that's something he was lying about this whole time, as I've pointed out a bunch. You've got some serious confirmation bias going on with regard to him by the way.

I admitted that my power counts as targeting and didn't give me a result N1. I can see win cons, though; I absolutely have seen mail-mi's town win con.

silverspawn · « **Reply #2320 on:** July 13, 2015, 01:37:07 pm »

survivors are cool. extremely cool. faust is the kind of player who may see how cool they are and construct a setup around them. that is to say, I believe all survivor claims. not as in, I'm really sure, but as in, I believe them. Lots of survivors are a neat setup idea, and that seems to be what's going on here.

@ DeDe / hockey : if you are survivor-masons, claim it now!
@ UoS: what if scum roleblocks you tonight?
@ Everyone voting ash: why are you voting ash? I think I missed something.

silverspawn · « **Reply #2321 on:** July 13, 2015, 01:39:07 pm »

unfortunately, all of this stuff doesn't solve the mason dilemma, which is my biggest issue with the game right now.

Awaclus · « **Reply #2322 on:** July 13, 2015, 01:44:34 pm »

Quote from: silverspawn on July 13, 2015, 01:37:07 pm

@ Everyone voting ash: why are you voting ash? I think I missed something.

I'm not voting for him, but he's my preferred lynch for today because he's confirmed non-town and there are good reasons against lynching the other confirmed non-towns.

mail-mi · « **Reply #2323 on:** July 13, 2015, 01:45:46 pm »

Quote from: silverspawn on July 13, 2015, 01:37:07 pm

@ Everyone voting ash: why are you voting ash? I think I missed something.

Scum because Awaclus said he was able to be invited to Ichi's neighborhood night 2.

I still think one of UoS or Awaclus needs to be lynched.

silverspawn · « **Reply #2324 on:** July 13, 2015, 01:52:17 pm »

okay, I see now.

ashersky lynch is good ( I can't vote now though )

@UoS: I don't want you to claim anything about my role. Thanks for confirming that I'm not a SK though.

I do want to say this thoguh -- if I wouldn't be able to target anyone, that should, based on my knowledge, be due to X, and X would also cause you to not be able to vig Awaclus. Do you know what I am talking about and think you can kill Awaclus anyway? If you don't, your plan will probably not work.

Also, do you have my entire PM? If so also thanks for the other thing.

Thing is, I expect you're going to be roleblocked, so the whole plan is kind of eh.

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