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[UmbrageOfSnow]

So I'll vig Awaclus tonight, and I'm 90% sure I'll hit scum if I'm not roleblocked.

SS, I am not crazy, I have a guess that would be crazy in any other game but I think makes sense here.  I think I may have more luck than you, but if not, I take the consequences, and they don't transfer back to you when you regain your powers tomorrow.

If we lynch Awaclus today, I'll shoot whoever town votes on, or whoever the IC tells me to, but I'd like to claim the details of the vig power before then if that's what we're doing.

[Awaclus]

I am not town, I'm a 3rd party.  I won't claim my win condition, but I know Awaclus is lying because it's not a scum wincon.  I can win with town or scum, but I'm not willing to say more than that.

I admit that I have not been telling the entire truth here (mainly because I thought that it would be even harder to believe than what I claimed). However, everything I said here:

why would you lynch you? I'd rather lynch awaclus, I'm pretty sure he's lying about stuff.

About what stuff?

I'd rather not say

you can reiterate everything you claimed, if you want, that might help in case I messed something up, but unlikely, and otherwise I think I'll try to get you lynched today.

I am Lorne, an Aura-reading Karaoke Bar Host. This means that every day, I can invite up to three people to my karaoke bar, and they can choose to accept or refuse the invitations. For the following night, a QT will be created for me and everyone who accepted (apparently, a QT won't be created if nobody accepts, but I did not claim this previously). That night, no player in the QT can target another player in the QT, but I can read someone in there which tells me their win con. I am also 1-shot lynchproof (the shot was, obviously, used up already). I also had an item called The Amulet, which turns its holder into a bomb if he's town, returns to its previous owner if the one holding it is town and attacked by a killing action, and can be used to resurrect the last player who used it. I'm neither Vampire-aligned or Town-aligned, and I win when I'm alive when the game ends (regardless of any other players that might be alive in addition). I'm a demon. Mail-mi is town. UoS is not.

was actually true, because of two key differences between this and what I claimed earlier; here, I didn't say that my power doesn't count as targeting (it actually does, and I don't have a result from N1 presumably because of the hockeyprotection), and I didn't say that I know UoS's alignment (because I only knew that he was not town for sure).

[ashersky]

So...Awaclus lied a bunch, is what we're seeing?

[Awaclus]

So, the thing is, I was actually in a QT with Ichi. He had an ability to target a player, and he would neighborize that player for that night if and only if the player was non-town. He was also 1-shot bulletproof. N1, he targeted WW and got into a QT with him. N2, he targeted ashersky and got into a QT with him.

Also, Ichi posted anonymously in those QTs, but contrary to what he said in there, he wasn't actually required to do so. He also wasn't required to capitalize random words in the middle of his sentences.

[A Drowned Kernel]

I'm not even sure what's going on here any more. vote: awaclus

[UmbrageOfSnow]

And what was my win con?

You don't know what your own win con is? 

I can't quote the exact win con because it's moderator-supplied information, but you win with the Vampires.

This is starting to feel like a fake claim to me.  Why wouldn't you have brought this up when we first started discussing this?

It's absolutely not a fake claim. I didn't bring it up because I thought it didn't matter.

You can quote fairly close and just change a word or two. Go ahead. I don't believe you.

You win when the majority of remaining players are Vampire-aligned, or nothing can stop that from happening.

What does this help though? You wouldn't know what the Vampire win con is anyway, and even if I was scum, I could just look up my own win con and paste that.

And you are 100% claiming that nothing can redirect or otherwise affect your role?

I am 100% claiming that the role doesn't count as "targeting". That's all I know about it.

[Awaclus]

Oh and he also had the ability to travel into future nights and busdrive people if the Mutari switch is turned on. We have no idea what the Mutari switch is though, and he didn't use the ability.

[Awaclus]

And what was my win con?

You don't know what your own win con is? 

I can't quote the exact win con because it's moderator-supplied information, but you win with the Vampires.

This is starting to feel like a fake claim to me.  Why wouldn't you have brought this up when we first started discussing this?

It's absolutely not a fake claim. I didn't bring it up because I thought it didn't matter.

You can quote fairly close and just change a word or two. Go ahead. I don't believe you.

You win when the majority of remaining players are Vampire-aligned, or nothing can stop that from happening.

What does this help though? You wouldn't know what the Vampire win con is anyway, and even if I was scum, I could just look up my own win con and paste that.

And you are 100% claiming that nothing can redirect or otherwise affect your role?

I am 100% claiming that the role doesn't count as "targeting". That's all I know about it.

Yeah. That's why it's the key difference between what I claimed earlier and what I wrote in the post in response to silverspawn.

[UmbrageOfSnow]

So, the thing is, I was actually in a QT with Ichi. He had an ability to target a player, and he would neighborize that player for that night if and only if the player was non-town. He was also 1-shot bulletproof. N1, he targeted WW and got into a QT with him. N2, he targeted ashersky and got into a QT with him.

Also, Ichi posted anonymously in those QTs, but contrary to what he said in there, he wasn't actually required to do so. He also wasn't required to capitalize random words in the middle of his sentences.

The QT thing is true anyway, I think WW talked about this on Day 2 at some point.  (Although up until this point I didn't know it was Ichi.  Still don't actually.)

The question is how Awaclus got into a QT so early if Ichi targetted WW Night 1.  And why Ichi spilled all of this to Awaclus.  He was pretty damn cagey with WW.

I can see that as a scum power though.  Contacting the 3rd parties and having a way to chat with them to get them to go along with scum plans in exchange for helping with their wincons.  That's not what the anonymous stranger did Night 1 though.

Scum have a neighborizing non-town power seems a hell of a lot more likely to me than Ichi spilling all this to 3rd party Awaclus.

[chairs]

Holy frell.

That's a lot of changed game plan.

vote: ashersky based on this data, I think.

[Awaclus]

The question is how Awaclus got into a QT so early if Ichi targetted WW Night 1.

We were in a QT since the beginning of the game.

And why Ichi spilled all of this to Awaclus.

Because it was beneficial for us to cooperate. That's why we had the QT in the first place.

[UmbrageOfSnow]

Holy frell.

That's a lot of changed game plan.

vote: ashersky based on this data, I think.

I actually think you guys should be lynching Awaclus based on his new claim here.  If I'm right about him being scum, Ash could be a town doctor, and this way there's no chance for redirection.

I'll use the vig however ADK wants me to if we do that.  But if we lynch Ash or someone, I'll vig Awaclus.

[UmbrageOfSnow]

And Farscape was a great show.

[UmbrageOfSnow]

I'll use the vig however ADK wants me to if we do that.  But if we lynch Ash or someone, I'll vig Awaclus.

Except Hydrad's the IC, so Hydrad.

[Awaclus]

Why should we lynch me? My claim regarding UoS was true, he even confirmed it himself. I merely changed a couple of little details in order to make it more credible earlier, but I already had to backpedal from those when silverspawn claimed to have contradicted my power.

[faust]

Vote Count 4.5

UmbrageOfSnow (2): Delirious Deleuze, 2.71828......
Awaclus (2): UmbrageOfSnow, A Drowned Kernel
ashersky (1): chairs

Not Voting (5): ashersky, Awaclus, mail-mi, Hydrad, hockeysemlan

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch. Day 4 ends July 20 at 6 am forum time.

[UmbrageOfSnow]

Why should we lynch me? My claim regarding UoS was true, he even confirmed it himself. I merely changed a couple of little details in order to make it more credible earlier, but I already had to backpedal from those when silverspawn claimed to have contradicted my power.

Because this new power makes a lot more sense from scum than from Survivor.  Especially the part where you and Ichi are a team but are labelled as 3rd parties

I don't think that was Ichi's power.  What do you think DeDe?

[Awaclus]

Because this new power makes a lot more sense from scum than from Survivor.  Especially the part where you and Ichi are a team but are labelled as 3rd parties

I don't think that was Ichi's power.  What do you think DeDe?

Ichi was not a survivor, though. He could only win with town if the Mutari switch was off.

[hockeysemlan]

..Wooow..

(this game is so cool, Faust)

I really like to lynch a 3d-party today..

Chairs, why Ashersky? Isn't he confirmed town or at least pro-town right now?

[A Drowned Kernel]

I really like to lynch a 3d-party today..

This. We're being asked to believe that this game has three survivors. I call bullshit and would lynch either or both.

[chairs]

I don't really know how to quantify/explain it, but with the new information we've gotten, that's my gut reaction.

I'd still be willing to vote for awaclus or uos, or maybe lynch awa and UOS vigs ash?

[mail-mi]

Lord Ruler this game is complex. (Great job Faust!)

I'm willing to vote: Awaclus from this.

[chairs]

vote: awaclus.

[Delirious Deleuze]

Vote: Ash. I'd say big awaclus tonight then lunch UoS tomorrow.

[chairs]

Okay, so I know why I'm up for voting ash (even if i can't quite put it into words), but maybe you can explain better than I can - why are you interested in lynching ash?