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[chairs]

Why is a scumteam with you in it less likely to no kill than a scumteam with me in it?

DeDe explained it already. Basically, a scum team with you in it would roleblock silverspawn to protect you from the vig shot whose target you obviously should have been, but a scum team with me in it would not roleblock silverspawn in order to not protect you from the vig shot.

And could you please actually explain The Plan™ in clear, point-by-point detail?

1. I invite DeDe, ashersky and mail-mi to my karaoke bar.
2. chairs uses his doubling power on mail-mi.
3. We lynch you.
4. We learn a ton from your flip. Additionally, we get to use a ton of investigative powers while protecting all of the investigative PRs from a lot of people (most notably me and ashersky because we're in the QT and you because you're dead).
5. At the start of tomorrow, we probably know the entire scum team and there's enough time to lynch them all.

FWIW I cannot do #2 tonight. Mail-mi has been roleblocked for N4.

How do you know?

Given scum presumably now already knows about it...

The second part of my power, that I said I didn't want to mention?  I'm a time-traveling roleblocker, and whoever my ability goes to gets the chance to either use their Night power twice OR to have me travel to another Night to roleblock someone. Whoever received my power for N3 (which must have been redirected during D3) chose to roleblock mail-mi N4.

[chairs]

This also means that the scum member who received my power is female, as my power is only functional for females.

[mail-mi]

Given scum presumably now already knows about it...

The second part of my power, that I said I didn't want to mention?  I'm a time-traveling roleblocker, and whoever my ability goes to gets the chance to either use their Night power twice OR to have me travel to another Night to roleblock someone. Whoever received my power for N3 (which must have been redirected during D3) chose to roleblock mail-mi N4.

Oh.

I...oh. Well, that's interesting^tm

[Hydrad]

oh my goodness this is one of the craziest RMM games i've been in . Its hard to keep track of whats going on.

[Delirious Deleuze]

Okay who are all the females?

[ashersky]

The plan is yet again out the window, by the way.

[faust]

Vote Count 4.3

UmbrageOfSnow (4): chairs, Delirious Deleuze, hockeysemlan, 2.71828......
Awaclus (1): UmbrageOfSnow

Not Voting (6): silverspawn, ashersky, A Drowned Kernel, Awaclus, mail-mi, Hydrad

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch. Day 4 ends July 20 at 6 am forum time.

[faust]

Day action window closes in 25 hours.

[Awaclus]

The plan is yet again out the window, by the way.

It's not, though. Mail-mi not being able to use the oracle power sucks, but it sucks regardless of the plan. We can still prevent me and two others from targeting mail-mi, and chairs can double DeDe's power (or my power if we trust me enough at this point, but you probably don't). It's definitely worse than doing it with mail-mi, but it's still a lot better than not doing it at all.

[Hydrad]

got the message!

also orb should have been sent now.

[ashersky]

The plan is yet again out the window, by the way.

It's not, though. Mail-mi not being able to use the oracle power sucks, but it sucks regardless of the plan. We can still prevent me and two others from targeting mail-mi, and chairs can double DeDe's power (or my power if we trust me enough at this point, but you probably don't). It's definitely worse than doing it with mail-mi, but it's still a lot better than not doing it at all.

That's fine.  An optional doctor sort of thing is okay, but not really great.  Scum or anyone can just not join, right?  Or if you don't choose scum, it's moot.

I can't doctor within the hood, either.

[silverspawn]

well, stuff.

ash, let's say we lynch UoS today, because everyone seems to want to, and if he flips town we lynch a 'mason'? everyone else?

[ashersky]

I think UoS is definitely the lynch today, regardless of alignment in the end.

His flip will be super informative, so there's that.

[Awaclus]

That's fine.  An optional doctor sort of thing is okay, but not really great.  Scum or anyone can just not join, right?  Or if you don't choose scum, it's moot.

I can't doctor within the hood, either.

Well, scum can not join, but then we can lynch whoever does not join.

The other option (which actually might be better) is inviting you, silverspawn and DeDe to protect DeDe with the karaoke protection (since he would be the person with the most information that scum might not want to get shared with everyone else tomorrow, if he gets his watcher power doubled by chairs), and you can doctor mail-mi.

[hockeysemlan]

hmm not 100% sure.

Your power was you invite people to a room and they can't target people outside of the room?

No, I invite people to a room and then we can't target each other.

ah got it. Well I'm not sure you should really trust me here as I don't have any proof on ss.

what are others thoughts on ss? I feel like he hasn't gotten to much attention this game.

do you have to make the room before daylight ends?

Oh, I starting to find him very scummy. The potential of him being SK isn't far out there at all. No need to discuss it too much today, perhaps.. but if we're heading against lynching masons tomorrow I would like him to be the other option..

[Delirious Deleuze]

Can't double me, I'm a dude.

And why lynch us? Scum!me and scum!hockey would mean our scum team is me, hockey, mail-mi, awaclus, egork. 5 seems excessive. Also why lynch us since awaclus is almost for sure scum if UoS flips town..... Just what

[Delirious Deleuze]

Also why would we block mail-mi if he was on our team?

Also mail-mi is the only girl on that team, meaning he would have had to choose to block himself.

[silverspawn]

well yeah, I mean, me being the SK does make sense with me being able to vig people, and also fits into the amount of power town has. I would be lying if I said that I wasn't afraid of players thinking this for a while. If you want to clear it up, I'd suggest to have mail-mi ask about the existence of a SK with his oracle power. Like, does a third party role exist which has a night action that can directly kill people. or something like that. Think of a clever wording.

I can also full claim at some point, but would prefer not to for a while longer.

[silverspawn]

I'm pretty sure a SK doesn't exist in this setup.

[A Drowned Kernel]

I'm pretty sure a SK doesn't exist in this setup.

Any reason beyond your claim to be a vig?

[silverspawn]

I'm pretty sure a SK doesn't exist in this setup.

Any reason beyond your claim to be a vig?

you haven't been following the game much, have you?

[Awaclus]

Can't double me, I'm a dude.

Dammit, I keep forgetting this.

[A Drowned Kernel]

I'm pretty sure a SK doesn't exist in this setup.

Any reason beyond your claim to be a vig?

you haven't been following the game much, have you?

What I mean is, do you have anything to point to to argue that there wouldn't be a SK beside your own knowledge that you're not one, which we have to take your word for at the moment.

[silverspawn]

I'm pretty sure a SK doesn't exist in this setup.

Any reason beyond your claim to be a vig?

you haven't been following the game much, have you?

What I mean is, do you have anything to point to to argue that there wouldn't be a SK beside your own knowledge that you're not one, which we have to take your word for at the moment.

oh - I totally misunderstood what you were saying, sorry.

no, not really. I mean, we had 1 kill N1, 2 kills N2 with one of them being my doing, and 0 kills N3 - that doesn't look like a Sk. Granted, it's not a proof, but I'm willing to bet on it if it can clear me.

[Delirious Deleuze]

I'm pretty sure a SK doesn't exist in this setup.

Any reason beyond your claim to be a vig?

you haven't been following the game much, have you?

What I mean is, do you have anything to point to to argue that there wouldn't be a SK beside your own knowledge that you're not one, which we have to take your word for at the moment.

oh - I totally misunderstood what you were saying, sorry.

no, not really. I mean, we had 1 kill N1, 2 kills N2 with one of them being my doing, and 0 kills N3 - that doesn't look like a Sk. Granted, it's not a proof, but I'm willing to bet on it if it can clear me.

We had no kill N1...