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[Delirious Deleuze]

Why? There's no action window and nothing were waiting on. He's not going to die so we don't need him to post reads and of he does die he will flip scum or survivor and it still won't matter.

Let's say he really is lynchproof, and we actually have a vig left and someone vigs me during the night.  I want to finish my read.

What why would a vig shoot you?

[ashersky]

"I will hammer myself" is the ultimate scum tell.

vote: awaclus

[Delirious Deleuze]

"I will hammer myself" is the ultimate scum tell.

vote: awaclus

Wait. You said the same thing and also tried to get yourself lynched. What?

Also you just hammered.

[Delirious Deleuze]

Like why did you hammer? You were afraid he'd do it himself? You're afraid people would change their votes? Hammering was scummy in this close of a umbridge vs awa

[Delirious Deleuze]

And like I get that hammering is less important because the majority gets the lynch... But in that case why hammer? The only possibility is that people would change their votes... That's the only reason to hanmer

[Delirious Deleuze]

Well awaclus last thought before you don't die? Or maybe do die but probably not?

[Awaclus]

And like I get that hammering is less important because the majority gets the lynch... But in that case why hammer? The only possibility is that people would change their votes... That's the only reason to hanmer

He finally got an opportunity to protect his scum partner from getting lynched today, of course he would take it.

[Awaclus]

Well awaclus last thought before you don't die? Or maybe do die but probably not?

You'd better not lynch me again tomorrow.

[Delirious Deleuze]

I mean I wanted umbridge. Doesn't matter now. Thoughts anyway?

[Delirious Deleuze]

Since the lynch is assured, I'm assuming this means you do have lynchproof. Let's discuss before the thread lock

[Delirious Deleuze]

Because I don't see a reason for you to keep talking or lying after you'd be dead for sure... So I'm just assuming you were right and being honest like I thought

[ashersky]

And like I get that hammering is less important because the majority gets the lynch... But in that case why hammer? The only possibility is that people would change their votes... That's the only reason to hanmer

For all the reasons I've been arguing.  Plus, I haven't hammered in awhile.  Plus, it's pretty clear what we need to do tonight.  Plus, even if we are wrong and he is lynchproof, we now how much more leverage on him to ensure he actually does what we want.

[Delirious Deleuze]

And like I get that hammering is less important because the majority gets the lynch... But in that case why hammer? The only possibility is that people would change their votes... That's the only reason to hanmer

For all the reasons I've been arguing.  Plus, I haven't hammered in awhile.  Plus, it's pretty clear what we need to do tonight.  Plus, even if we are wrong and he is lynchproof, we now how much more leverage on him to ensure he actually does what we want.

This doesn't explain why'd you'd hammer. He was already being lynched... Why hammer? After umbridge said wait so he could reread and he was afraid of being vigged (because he's scum). Why hammer?! It makes no sense as town unless you wanted to make sure people couldn't change your votes.

[UmbrageOfSnow]

Not so much afraid of being vigged as it's a possibility and we have nothing to lose.  Sorry I haven't been focussed on mafia all day or I'd have already been done.

I am nearly certain Awaclus is scum.  I'm pretty sure he's not really lynchproof.  But if he's a lynchproof serial killer or something, the right play is probably to lynch me tomorrow.  But because that's not the right thought, if he's lynchproof and we have a vig, and that vig is scumreading me, their best play is to vig me.

Given that, I see a minor benefit from dragging the day out another couple hours, and no real downside.  But it's not that likely a scenario.

Also, stop calling me Umbridge.  I don't mind Umbrage, UoS, Snow, whatever, 90% of things, but I don't like being compared to a poorly-written Harry Potter character.  (Seriously, round characters are a thing J.K., even among villians)

Also, also, how are you so confident in your bad reads?  Like when I was a spectator I was sure Ash was right about you and Hockey being the scum-claiming-masons thing.  Having seen most of your PM, I don't believe that anymore, I think you're basically conftown, but you need to adjust your tunnel vision in this game seriously.

[UmbrageOfSnow]

the right play is probably to lynch me tomorrow.  But because that's not the right thought, if he's lynchproof and we have a vig, and that vig is scumreading me, their best play is to vig me.

I don't know what the hell happened to this sentence, but what I was trying to say is that tomorrow, no thought goes into voting for me if Awaclus lives and is telling the truth, so if a potential vig thinks I'm scum, vigging me would save town trouble.  And when I flip town that gives an extra day to sort out the confusion where Awaclus tries to claim his power is different than he said.  Or whatever.

[ashersky]

And like I get that hammering is less important because the majority gets the lynch... But in that case why hammer? The only possibility is that people would change their votes... That's the only reason to hanmer

For all the reasons I've been arguing.  Plus, I haven't hammered in awhile.  Plus, it's pretty clear what we need to do tonight.  Plus, even if we are wrong and he is lynchproof, we now how much more leverage on him to ensure he actually does what we want.

This doesn't explain why'd you'd hammer. He was already being lynched... Why hammer? After umbridge said wait so he could reread and he was afraid of being vigged (because he's scum). Why hammer?! It makes no sense as town unless you wanted to make sure people couldn't change your votes.

It wasn't a sure thing, technically, as I could have made it a tie with UoS.

Of course changing votes is a thing.  People do it.

We still have a bit before Faust gets here.  This was the right move.

[Delirious Deleuze]

Not so much afraid of being vigged as it's a possibility and we have nothing to lose.  Sorry I haven't been focussed on mafia all day or I'd have already been done.

I am nearly certain Awaclus is scum.  I'm pretty sure he's not really lynchproof.  But if he's a lynchproof serial killer or something, the right play is probably to lynch me tomorrow. But because that's not the right thought, if he's lynchproof and we have a vig, and that vig is scumreading me, their best play is to vig me.

Given that, I see a minor benefit from dragging the day out another couple hours, and no real downside.  But it's not that likely a scenario.

Also, stop calling me Umbridge.  I don't mind Umbrage, UoS, Snow, whatever, 90% of things, but I don't like being compared to a poorly-written Harry Potter character.  (Seriously, round characters are a thing J.K., even among villians)

Also, also, how are you so confident in your bad reads?  Like when I was a spectator I was sure Ash was right about you and Hockey being the scum-claiming-masons thing.  Having seen most of your PM, I don't believe that anymore, I think you're basically conftown, but you need to adjust your tunnel vision in this game seriously.

Lol

[UmbrageOfSnow]

Ok. I have some power I do not want to divulge much yet, but among other things it provided me with info that ADK is not a demon and that this power could not be rolestopped. I am still not fully sure if it would be stopped by hockey power, but I do not believe faust will answer such a direct question. So if all correct ADK is not Angel

Vote: ADK

I don't blame Egor for this vote, and am pretty sure this is town, but there's obviously a lot going on in this game role-wise. You've got wrong information.

I don't know what thoughts on ADK are, but this interaction makes me think it's incredibly unlikely Egor and ADK are scumbuddies.  Not that ADK's Day 1 claim makes much sense from scum anyway, but if this comes up in the future we should remember this.  Egor was claiming an unlikely power as a sort of gambit move at the time (or that's my reading of it) and trying to claim a false guilty on your partner makes little sense as a busing strategy.   ADK didn't have any particular pressure on him.  If this was a scumteam plan it would have made a lot more sense for ADK to claim a faked guilty on Egor if they were going for that sort of gambit, because Egor was under a lot of suspicion and ADK was not.

[Awaclus]

Ok. I have some power I do not want to divulge much yet, but among other things it provided me with info that ADK is not a demon and that this power could not be rolestopped. I am still not fully sure if it would be stopped by hockey power, but I do not believe faust will answer such a direct question. So if all correct ADK is not Angel

Vote: ADK

I don't blame Egor for this vote, and am pretty sure this is town, but there's obviously a lot going on in this game role-wise. You've got wrong information.

I don't know what thoughts on ADK are, but this interaction makes me think it's incredibly unlikely Egor and ADK are scumbuddies.  Not that ADK's Day 1 claim makes much sense from scum anyway, but if this comes up in the future we should remember this.  Egor was claiming an unlikely power as a sort of gambit move at the time (or that's my reading of it) and trying to claim a false guilty on your partner makes little sense as a busing strategy.   ADK didn't have any particular pressure on him.  If this was a scumteam plan it would have made a lot more sense for ADK to claim a faked guilty on Egor if they were going for that sort of gambit, because Egor was under a lot of suspicion and ADK was not.

I think that mail-mi confirming ADK as town also makes it incredibly unlikely.

[UmbrageOfSnow]

See, we can agree on something!

[Delirious Deleuze]

Awaclus, so you had lynchproof right? Since you're the confirmed lynch now

[Delirious Deleuze]

Awaclus, so you had lynchproof right? Since you're the confirmed lynch now

I assume since you keep talking that yes

[Awaclus]

Awaclus, so you had lynchproof right? Since you're the confirmed lynch now

Yes.

[Delirious Deleuze]

Awaclus, so you had lynchproof right? Since you're the confirmed lynch now

Yes.

Thought so

[UmbrageOfSnow]

What exactly was the point of that exchange?