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[Delirious Deleuze]

Yeah, that could go a long way to clearing or incriminating Ash, at least as far as whether or not this role belongs to him.  So if you trust SS, for example, and target SS and don't get the expected item pass but see nothing or something weird, we know this ability was used last night.

Or if your masonbuddy used any actions, you could target him to be extra sure.

Can do anything today or tonight.

[Delirious Deleuze]

Can't

[Delirious Deleuze]

If ash doesn't have the item, then we know at least one scum can't do actions tonight.

[hockeysemlan]

Is it who an action is redirected onto or who it was redirected away from?

Parafrasing:
'if that players night action has been redirected in said game phase'.

So if Awaclus did the redirecting action, and I target him, I would get a negative response. I should target someone who did something at night, but I have no clue who might have.. except silver but it worked out fine according to him. I actually think my power is useless here since it can't detect day action. This thing messed up D3, am I correct..? 

[UmbrageOfSnow]

Yeah, that could go a long way to clearing or incriminating Ash, at least as far as whether or not this role belongs to him.  So if you trust SS, for example, and target SS and don't get the expected item pass but see nothing or something weird, we know this ability was used last night.

Or if your masonbuddy used any actions, you could target him to be extra sure.

Can do anything today or tonight.

Okay so today is definitely better then.

Here's how your result should work.
You name a player.  Instead of seeing the results you would normally see for that player, if this power really was used, you should see the results for the player whose PM I saw.  So you should pick a player where you know, or trust enough, what the result should be, either because of what they said they did, or what someone said they did too them.  In the case of DeDe's ability, it would be someone who should have had nothing done too them.

Then you'll be able to tell if things are being redirected when you see a result different from what is expected.

PPE:  Well, I guess I'll still say this in case anyone has a similar ability.  Remember, it's only Day actions that are being globally redirected, Night actions were just redirected away from someone, so that's a smaller target to hit.

PPEE: 2 more

[UmbrageOfSnow]

Is it who an action is redirected onto or who it was redirected away from?

Parafrasing:
'if that players night action has been redirected in said game phase'.

So if Awaclus did the redirecting action, and I target him, I would get a negative response. I should target someone who did something at night, but I have no clue who might have.. except silver but it worked out fine according to him. I actually think my power is useless here since it can't detect day action. This thing messed up D3, am I correct..?

Okay, so if this is working the way I think it is, then whoever you target now, you would get results on the player whose PM I saw.  And their night action should not have been redirected (barring other powers).

So the only way that's really useful I think is if anyone can claim that they have a night action which WAS redirected, and you target them, and then you should get a result saying they were not redirected, and we'll know that everything is being redirected now.

[UmbrageOfSnow]

Yeah, it's today that everything is getting redirected, and it's a 1-shot ability.

And for what it's worth WW didn't use any night actions last night, but you rather use someone widely trusted for this sort of thing anyway.

[mail-mi]

Should I send a message?

[mail-mi]

Should I send a message?

Actually, I will. ADK, you should get a message today. If you dont, this power was used.

[Delirious Deleuze]

Should I send a message?

Actually, I will. ADK, you should get a message today. If you dont, this power was used.

Solid.

[Delirious Deleuze]

Before ADK replies, Ash did you get the item?

[Delirious Deleuze]

We can use this to confirm (to a degree) ash as well. He replies if he got it or not, then we see if the redirect power happened, then if they match, cool, if not, more info.

[UmbrageOfSnow]

Oh, Mail-mi, while you're around, could you take a look at the Night 1 Bar QT and give us your thoughts on Awaclus' proposed "breadcrumb"?

He says he didn't have a result until after the bar closed, but was crumbing cop.  Do you see it?  Because I do not.

SS, would like your input here as well.

[mail-mi]

Oh, Mail-mi, while you're around, could you take a look at the Night 1 Bar QT and give us your thoughts on Awaclus' proposed "breadcrumb"?

He says he didn't have a result until after the bar closed, but was crumbing cop.  Do you see it?  Because I do not.

SS, would like your input here as well.

There might be a breadcurmb in there? I don't know.

[UmbrageOfSnow]

Oh, Mail-mi, while you're around, could you take a look at the Night 1 Bar QT and give us your thoughts on Awaclus' proposed "breadcrumb"?

He says he didn't have a result until after the bar closed, but was crumbing cop.  Do you see it?  Because I do not.

SS, would like your input here as well.

There might be a breadcurmb in there? I don't know.

I don't think there is, but that's why I'm asking you.  Also, because you're not me and you can see the exact text.  He says his message where he explains the mechanics behind the invitations is a breadcrumb about his claimed cop role.  I think that makes 0 sense.  I think that's post hoc BS.  But the other people who can read it should comment on this, since we can't quote QTs.

[Awaclus]

I don't think there is, but that's why I'm asking you.  Also, because you're not me and you can see the exact text.  He says his message where he explains the mechanics behind the invitations is a breadcrumb about his claimed cop role.  I think that makes 0 sense.  I think that's post hoc BS.  But the other people who can read it should comment on this, since we can't quote QTs.

Yeah. I said the QT wouldn't confirm you being scum. It did though. Why would I even have brought that up otherwise?

[mail-mi]

Oh, Mail-mi, while you're around, could you take a look at the Night 1 Bar QT and give us your thoughts on Awaclus' proposed "breadcrumb"?

He says he didn't have a result until after the bar closed, but was crumbing cop.  Do you see it?  Because I do not.

SS, would like your input here as well.

There might be a breadcurmb in there? I don't know.

I don't think there is, but that's why I'm asking you.  Also, because you're not me and you can see the exact text.  He says his message where he explains the mechanics behind the invitations is a breadcrumb about his claimed cop role.  I think that makes 0 sense.  I think that's post hoc BS.  But the other people who can read it should comment on this, since we can't quote QTs.

Wait, can't you see it too, since you replaced WW?

[UmbrageOfSnow]

Awaclus, is this in reference to you calling WW scum in the QT on N1?  Or is there an actual breadcrumb there somewhere?

At the time, I didn't know he was scum. The breadcrumb is the part where I said there's nothing in the mechanics of the QT that would confirm WW as scum.

You were explaining how you chose who to invite and what the mechanics of the QT were while trading barbs with WW.  It really does not look like a crumb to me.  Obviously you will say it is.  But Mail-mi and SS are the ones we really need to weigh in here.

[UmbrageOfSnow]

Yeah, I can see it Mail-mi.

But we're debating lynching me or Awaclus probably, I think Awaclus is lying about being a cop.  Obviously neither my nor Awaclus' opinions on this can be trusted.  For this part of the debate, we need third parties who can read it to comment, rather than DeDe agreeing or not based on the vague summaries of QTs we can actually post in thread.

[UmbrageOfSnow]

Okay we have until the 8th.  I am going for the day in an hour or two, I may or may not be able to post before the 5th, depending on borrowing a computer from someone else.  I'll try, and this game will be my priority, but I'd really like it if we could put off deciding a lynch until then.

I'll try to post some thoughts on my on-going reread before I'm off for the night, but I've been doing other stuff today, and this game is long and dense.  So I'm still on Day 1.  Certainly I will not finish it today.  With some luck, I can finish reading over the long weekend.

[ashersky]

I have not received an item yet.  Does it show up instantly or at the end of the day action window?

The quote was me referring to DD 's item.

[ashersky]

As for umbrage's result, that definitely ain't me.

That 4th power reads to me, in simpler terms:

At night, use this ability and no action, other than killing, can target you.  But then, the next day, ALL actions, other than killing, will target you.

[ashersky]

UoS, your paraphrase says "next phase."  Your reading is it could used during the day or night, and diversely affect either?

[silverspawn]

I have not received an item yet.  Does it show up instantly or at the end of the day action window?

Instantly. I clarified that with faust before I claimed the item.

[Delirious Deleuze]

Okay, then that power must've been used because I don't have the item anymore.