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[ashersky]

So we have a claimed giving of a bomb item from Awaclus to Silverspawn.  Both corraborate each other.

We have a claimed giving of a bomb item from Silverspawn to hockey.  You and hockey counter this claim.

What's the narrative for the lie here?

[hockeysemlan]

Ugh. Umbrage is so much townier than WW.. his big post makes perfect sense also. Made this so much harder.. (as this game wasn't a mindbreaker before..)

I don't have time to think right now, but I don't see Umbrage as a probable scum hit anymore

unvote

[silverspawn]

Ugh. Umbrage is so much townier than WW.. his big post makes perfect sense also. Made this so much harder.. (as this game wasn't a mindbreaker before..)

I don't have time to think right now, but I don't see Umbrage as a probable scum hit anymore

unvote

lynch e!

[faust]

Vote Count 3.4

Awaclus (3): A Drowned Kernel, 2.71828...., UmbrageOfSnow.
2.71828..... (1): silverspawn
UmbrageOfSnow (4): chairs, mail-mi, Delirious Deleuze, Awaclus

Not Voting (2): ashersky, hockeysemlan

With 10 alive, it takes 6 to lynch. Day 3 ends July 8 at 1 pm forum time.
Per mod decision, this Day's action window will remain open an additional 24 hours and close tomorrow at 1 pm forum time.

[UmbrageOfSnow]

So, yeah.  Got a result on Ash.  It looks guilty.  90% sure it's incorrect, not inclined to vote for Ash.

Here's the deal:
4 Abilities
1. Unknown passive ability.  Entire thing is redacted other than that it's passive.
2. Passive ability to receive a list of players targeted by "time travel roles."
3. Passive: 1 shot NK Immunity, automatic to first time NK'd.
4. 1 shot ability to randomly redirect all non-killing abilities that would target him.  Downside that in the next phase all non-killing abilities will be redirected to him.

And I'm pretty sure that 4th thing is what happened.  Someone used the 1-shot 4th ability last night, and now everything is being redirected onto them.  That explains the item "theft".  And it also means this is not Ash's PM.  It makes more sense than that item actually being intercepted by a specific ability.

We still have time on the day window, can anyone exploit this information to help catch scum?  I'm thinking we can.

I'll read starting at Day 1 later today.

[UmbrageOfSnow]

It also means than any targeted abilities from last night may be incorrect.

[silverspawn]

I don't follow. if it only redirects actions that target him, how can any actions from last night be wrong?

[UmbrageOfSnow]

I don't follow. if it only redirects actions that target him, how can any actions from last night be wrong?

Not all actions from last night are wrong.  (Or at least not due to this anyway.)

But this PM is very likely not the one that belongs to Ash, but I don't know whose it actually is.  It seems like it stole my targeting of Ash and gave me this person's PM without a name attached.  So whoever that person is, results on them would have been redirected at random to other people.  Not knowing who that is, we can't trust results from last night unless
a) two people have a similar result
b) we find a result we know was wrong, then we can trust results targetting other people

[UmbrageOfSnow]

Not knowing who that is, we can't trust results from last night unless
a) two people have a similar result
b) we find a result we know was wrong, then we can trust results targetting other people

Just b actually.

[silverspawn]

ah. but you replaced WW - of course you would make that argument as scum, because it nullifies the guilty result on you.

also, me shooting lekkit wasn't redirected.

[UmbrageOfSnow]

ah. but you replaced WW - of course you would make that argument as scum, because it nullifies the guilty result on you.

also, me shooting lekkit wasn't redirected.

Um, that guilty result is from Night 1 supposedly.  So this wouldn't effect that in any way.

It's also an incorrect result from an implausible power.  But that's unrelated to this.  And yeah, we know that this isn't lekkit's PM because lekkit is dead.

[chairs]

So you're saying that somebody redirected onto themselves to make Ash look guilty or something?

[UmbrageOfSnow]

I think this actually gives us good odds to catch scum if we have the sort of tracking/watching abilities I think we do.  You guys should try reading what I posted.

Reading is OP.

[UmbrageOfSnow]

So you're saying that somebody redirected onto themselves to make Ash look guilty or something?

I'm saying that this ability, used last night to make someone untargetable (in the sense that targets on them were redirected), has a downside of redirecting everything onto themselves today.  It's not a thing that would deliberately make Ash look guilty, it's non-optional.  But as it doesn't provide a name, that's actually an upside for them.  This is what happened to that object that was lost in transit.

[silverspawn]

Um, that guilty result is from Night 1 supposedly.  So this wouldn't effect that in any way.

oh, that is true. mh.

[UmbrageOfSnow]

Maybe if I separate this out people will actually read it.

4. 1 shot ability to randomly redirect all non-killing abilities that would target him.  Downside that in the next phase all non-killing abilities will be redirected to him.

[silverspawn]

Maybe if I separate this out people will actually read it.

4. 1 shot ability to randomly redirect all non-killing abilities that would target him.  Downside that in the next phase all non-killing abilities will be redirected to him.

it worked! I read it now.

uh... that means... urg, darw the conclusion for me please. it's too hot here to think.

[chairs]

So you're saying that somebody redirected onto themselves to make Ash look guilty or something?

I'm saying that this ability, used last night to make someone untargetable (in the sense that targets on them were redirected), has a downside of redirecting everything onto themselves today.  It's not a thing that would deliberately make Ash look guilty, it's non-optional.  But as it doesn't provide a name, that's actually an upside for them.  This is what happened to that object that was lost in transit.

I guess for some reason I thought your power was a Night power.

[chairs]

It means Ashersky is definitely Town. 100%.

[UmbrageOfSnow]

It means Ashersky is definitely Town. 100%.

How do you get this?

I mean I think it makes Ash somewhat more likely to be town, because that ability I'm almost sure was used because of the item stealing, so that looks like a scum PM, and it's not Ash's PM.  But it's not IC-making.  It just makes Ash more likely town than the rest of us.

It looks like a survivor or other non-town aligned PM to me.  No link to a QT unless that's what was redacted, but that isn't how it worked before.

[2.71828.....]

Well, reading the power it would have to be used lay night, with the lightning rod power happening during the day. I don't think we had a target Ashersky plan in place yesterday, unless scum were anticipating the plan and were pushing the plan.

But yeah, that much detail, I think we can risky trust umbrage's power

[2.71828.....]

It looks like a survivor or other non-town aligned PM to me.  No link to a QT unless that's what was redacted, but that isn't how it worked before.

Yeah.  With the redirection I don't see town having a role like that

[2.71828.....]

So, Awaclus. Our claimed survivor. But his lynch proof claim is different than BP. That isn't something that you usually mix up.

[UmbrageOfSnow]

uh... that means... urg, darw the conclusion for me please. it's too hot here to think.

So, last night, one player (probably a 3rd party IMO, but I don't know that) used a power.  Any non-killing abilities that would have targeted them, instead targeted another player at random.  My impression from the text of the PM is that this would not necessarily be the same player for each ability targeting them.  So there was 1 player last night for whom results targeting them gave results as if they had targeted someone else, and that player is probably a 3rd party.

Today, every non-killing ability we use in the action window will target that player instead of the players we are hoping to target.

IMO it also makes abilities immune to being retargeted less likely just by this power existing, unless that's some special perk.  Also we know there are probably multiple players with time travel powers, whatever that means.

PPE: 3

[UmbrageOfSnow]

If anyone can track day actions, this would be a wonderful day to do that.