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[mail-mi]

Okay. Okay okay okay.

Firstly, again, vote: awaclus

Awaclus claimed to me in the neighborhood his exact flavor name and role name. So I asked if there was a town-aligned role called Aura-reading Karaoke Bar Host, and the answer was No. I tried to replace it with a question about ash, but that was discounted and so this question was answered. I also asked if there is a town-aligned role capable of killing anyone during the day, at least once per game, and that answer was yes. So 99.9% sure ADK is town.

My masons question: I asked if there were any town masons in this game, and faust asked me to clarify what masons means. So I clarified it as two or more players that know the others are town, and may be able to talk to each other during the day and/or night. He said that was a valid explanation, and answered my question with a "yes." So I don't believe ash one bit, and think that if it is a three man scum team it's awaclus/ash/egork.

[A Drowned Kernel]

I can confirm that I didn't take any night actions so DeDe's not lying about that.

PPE: Yeah I'm pretty sure I have to vote: Awaclus on that.

[ashersky]

What are people not "believing" from me?  I haven't claimed anything to be believed.

So mail-mi's result regarding masons is that two or more players could exist in the game that know each other are town and can talk during the day or night...

Given how literal Faust has been, that could be interpreted a million ways.  Like, if a player has an innocent result on someone and they are both posting in the thread during the day.  Or if there is an IC.

Did you specify that the talking is in a QT?

[ashersky]

The Awaclus thing...it either confirms he's lying about his flavor name/role, or didn't tell you it exactly, or he's scum, or he's self-aligned like Ichi.

Most of those possibilities are bad.  My best guess is self-aligned.  I don't think he has any partners.

[ashersky]

Chairs -- you don't think I'm scum.  You aren't even fully convinced I'm wrong about the "masons."

[mail-mi]

What are people not "believing" from me?  I haven't claimed anything to be believed.

So mail-mi's result regarding masons is that two or more players could exist in the game that know each other are town and can talk during the day or night...

Given how literal Faust has been, that could be interpreted a million ways.  Like, if a player has an innocent result on someone and they are both posting in the thread during the day.  Or if there is an IC.

Did you specify that the talking is in a QT?

No, investigation happens during game. It would have to be two roles that know each other as town before the game begins, meaning almost explicitly masons.

Also, yes, you want us to believe DeDe and hockey aren't masons.

[Delirious Deleuze]

What are people not "believing" from me?  I haven't claimed anything to be believed.

So mail-mi's result regarding masons is that two or more players could exist in the game that know each other are town and can talk during the day or night...

Given how literal Faust has been, that could be interpreted a million ways.  Like, if a player has an innocent result on someone and they are both posting in the thread during the day.  Or if there is an IC.

Did you specify that the talking is in a QT?

Yeah but they KNOW THE OTHER IS TOWN. That can only happen if they're masons.

Also guys, we should lynch ash first because lunch proof possibility on awalcus. We can then take out a scum role and give them less options at night, then work on awalcus tomorrow. We should definitely protect (if anyone can) silver tonight in case he has a shot.

[ashersky]

What are people not "believing" from me?  I haven't claimed anything to be believed.

So mail-mi's result regarding masons is that two or more players could exist in the game that know each other are town and can talk during the day or night...

Given how literal Faust has been, that could be interpreted a million ways.  Like, if a player has an innocent result on someone and they are both posting in the thread during the day.  Or if there is an IC.

Did you specify that the talking is in a QT?

No, investigation happens during game. It would have to be two roles that know each other as town before the game begins, meaning almost explicitly masons.

Also, yes, you want us to believe DeDe and hockey aren't masons.

But that's not how you worded your question, dude.

[Delirious Deleuze]

Also mail-mi, you said at least 4 scum. Why the at least?

[Delirious Deleuze]

What are people not "believing" from me?  I haven't claimed anything to be believed.

So mail-mi's result regarding masons is that two or more players could exist in the game that know each other are town and can talk during the day or night...

Given how literal Faust has been, that could be interpreted a million ways.  Like, if a player has an innocent result on someone and they are both posting in the thread during the day.  Or if there is an IC.

Did you specify that the talking is in a QT?

No, investigation happens during game. It would have to be two roles that know each other as town before the game begins, meaning almost explicitly masons.

Also, yes, you want us to believe DeDe and hockey aren't masons.

But that's not how you worded your question, dude.

Man, can you actually try rereading for once? The role specified that they knew the other was town, and since its part of the role and question, kind of has to be town mason.

This is classic scum trying tooth and nail to fight after they've been proven wrong.

[chairs]

vote: awaclus. We can argue about the rest of it later, but let's start here.

[silverspawn]

I am much more inclined to believe that Awaclus is scum after last night. Suffice to say, there was something I expected to happen that would prove his towniness, but it didn't happen. I am open for an Awaclus lynch today. I also think that lynching Awaclus would clear mail-mi, which would be good.

[ashersky]

DD, you are full of shit.

Read mail-mi's post again.  He doesn't even use the word role in his explanation.

You seem to be conflating his question with witherweaver's claim today.

Which, of course, is what scum does.

[mail-mi]

What are people not "believing" from me?  I haven't claimed anything to be believed.

So mail-mi's result regarding masons is that two or more players could exist in the game that know each other are town and can talk during the day or night...

Given how literal Faust has been, that could be interpreted a million ways.  Like, if a player has an innocent result on someone and they are both posting in the thread during the day.  Or if there is an IC.

Did you specify that the talking is in a QT?

No, investigation happens during game. It would have to be two roles that know each other as town before the game begins, meaning almost explicitly masons.

Also, yes, you want us to believe DeDe and hockey aren't masons.

But that's not how you worded your question, dude.

-_-

My role itself only deals with stuff that is true before roles are handed out. You know, like the regular oracle.

[mail-mi]

Also mail-mi, you said at least 4 scum. Why the at least?

I asked if there were less than 4 people not aligned with town, which got "no." Therefore, at least 4

[silverspawn]

eh, I think arguing for loopholes in mail-mi's question is at once pretty futile and a very ashersky thing to do. (that's not to say that he's never right or even not mostly, just that he likes to not give in when he's wrong)

I'm not sure this makes ash scum, but I think ash is scummy anyway for his treatment of Egork.

hockey and DeDe are so not being lynched today. Off the table.

[silverspawn]

Also mail-mi, you said at least 4 scum. Why the at least?

I asked if there were less than 4 people not aligned with town, which got "no." Therefore, at least 4

not to criticize your oracle play - I think the way you used it is overall very good - but why didn't you just ask 'how many people are not aligned with town?' Isn't that a valid setup question and strictly more informative?

[silverspawn]

or does it have to be yes/no questions?

[mail-mi]

or does it have to be yes/no questions?

This.

[Witherweaver]

Town and scum Ash would do this.  He knows it, we know it, he knows we know it, and just in case we don't know it he'll let us know if.

There is some circumstantial evidence for scum!Ash that it was an Egor+Ash team (just them), he'd believe the multiball scenario, so he'd definitely think this.

[A Drowned Kernel]

On ash's threat to delete his account, I do pretty vividly recall him doing something similar in my first game on this site, Super Mario Bros. He said he would put something embarrassing in his sig if he was lying, and he did end up being scum.

[Witherweaver]

Well he also went of on crazy Mason conspiracy theories in Dice Mafia, as town.  But of course, he'd know that we know that, etc.

[Awaclus]

Meh, could have gone better. I'm self-aligned (basically a survivor). Since mail-mi claimed my flavor name already, there's no point in trying to hide it anymore; I can also read (basically cop) someone in my QT every night. WW is scum and mail-mi is town.

[Awaclus]

Not flavor name but role name, rather.

[Witherweaver]

I am not scum.