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[Witherweaver]

The point of #1 is why would he get AS A POWER a confirmation of someone's alignment and a separate QT with them?  If they were scum, they'd already have that.

[chairs]

Okay, so let's say ashersky is Town, AND he's wrong. Who's the alternate lynch?

[ashersky]

The point of #1 is why would he get AS A POWER a confirmation of someone's alignment and a separate QT with them?  If they were scum, they'd already have that.

Huh?  You just said Faust confirmed to you that there are other players with DD's wincon, no?

[Witherweaver]

Is it possible the wincon is non-standard, e.g. "You win when X is eliminated" but not necessarily something that's 100% aligned with Town goals? I could potentially see that.

Maybe; they'd be, like, partner third party types, like survivors or something.  But the more likely scenario is that they are actually Masons.  His Watching ability 100% checks out, by the way; he's telling the truth there.

[Witherweaver]

The point of #1 is why would he get AS A POWER a confirmation of someone's alignment and a separate QT with them?  If they were scum, they'd already have that.

Huh?  You just said Faust confirmed to you that there are other players with DD's wincon, no?

No.  I received a copy of DD's roles.  DD received, as a power, the statement that player X (hockey) has the same wincon that he does.  Additionally, he received a link to a QT where they could talk.

[ashersky]

The point of #1 is why would he get AS A POWER a confirmation of someone's alignment and a separate QT with them?  If they were scum, they'd already have that.

Huh?  You just said Faust confirmed to you that there are other players with DD's wincon, no?

No.  I received a copy of DD's roles.  DD received, as a power, the statement that player X (hockey) has the same wincon that he does.  Additionally, he received a link to a QT where they could talk.

You mean like the line in a mafia pm that says "you may talk to your partner, hockey, here: QT link"

[ashersky]

Also, DD promises multiple factions but we are at D3 with claimed masons alive since D1?

[Witherweaver]

The point of #1 is why would he get AS A POWER a confirmation of someone's alignment and a separate QT with them?  If they were scum, they'd already have that.

Huh?  You just said Faust confirmed to you that there are other players with DD's wincon, no?

No.  I received a copy of DD's roles.  DD received, as a power, the statement that player X (hockey) has the same wincon that he does.  Additionally, he received a link to a QT where they could talk.

You mean like the line in a mafia pm that says "you may talk to your partner, hockey, here: QT link"

It's possible, but it's not worded the way that those normally are.  It's worded more like a PM for Mason.

[Awaclus]

As for why I knew she existed, I know others exist, too.

That doesn't answer the question.

[ashersky]

Also, DD promises multiple factions but we are at D3 with claimed masons alive since D1?

Look at the TERRIBLE night kill targets when you put this in perspective.  Why would you kill them over fucking masons?

Because there are no fucking masons.

Fuck.

[ashersky]

As for why I knew she existed, I know others exist, too.

That doesn't answer the question.

Not fully, no.

(You have to see what I'm doing to you, here.  I'm explaining it to make it funnier.)

[Witherweaver]

Also, DD promises multiple factions but we are at D3 with claimed masons alive since D1?

Look at the TERRIBLE night kill targets when you put this in perspective.  Why would you kill them over fucking masons?

Because there are no fucking masons.

Fuck.

But if your argument is that DD and Hockey are another scum team, why wouldn't Egor's team have tried to kill them?

[Awaclus]

As for why I knew she existed, I know others exist, too.

That doesn't answer the question.

Not fully, no.

(You have to see what I'm doing to you, here.  I'm explaining it to make it funnier.)

I see what you're doing. It's not working, so you can stop doing it.

What kind of role you have that made you receive the information?

[Witherweaver]

Also, they can talk at any time, which is consistent with Masons.  (I know, scum can have daychat, but it's not particularly common.)

[Delirious Deleuze]

I really wish I had the ability to ignore the faults in my logic and just defend something tooth and nail without any real thought or rigor. That'd be nice and tranquil.

[chairs]

The damnedest part here is that I could see scum!ash making this kind of crazy gambit argument, too, and I just can't see THIS many people having bad data on the masons.

vote: ashersky. It's the only thing that makes a lick of sense, and even this is kind of stretching :|

[Witherweaver]

I think we need to see if Mail-Mi has anything , and we need to analyze EgorK. 

[silverspawn]

well... let me summarize

Pro Masons:
#1 scum rarely claims masons
#2 two new players are even less likely to claim masons
#3 mail-mi confirmed that there are masons in this game
#4 WW semi-confirmed masons

Con Masons
#1 Scum didn't NK any of them
#2 DeDe has made some weirdly inconsistent arguments and lied to town
#3 DeDe has made speculations about the setup which implies knowledge that town!DeDe wouldn't have
#4 they maybe haven't exactly lead town in a classic way

My biggest issue with the mason theory is Pro #3. Mail-mi confirmed that there are masons. Ash, what is your explanation for that?

[chairs]

Yeah, I really really want to hear from mail-mi before we lynch.

[silverspawn]

Because if mail-mi and DeDe and hockey and Egork are scum, we already have 4 scum and a survivor. that's kind of crazy, isn't it?

[chairs]

Because if mail-mi and DeDe and hockey and Egork are scum, we already have 4 scum and a survivor. that's kind of crazy, isn't it?

That's why I can't quite bring myself to believe ashersky, particularly after WW's claim.

[Witherweaver]

The argument is MailMi could have misphrased.  So let's have him tell us exactly what he said .

Regardless, I'm not going DD/Hockey.  Just too much checks out.

[silverspawn]

It doesn't seem smart to lynch either of them today, even if they're scum. We can just lynch them tomorrow. There's always a chance that scum NK's one of them... less likely after what ash did maybe, but not impossible.

[Witherweaver]

By saying we're open to lynching them tomorrow makes scum less likely to NK them, making the scum narrative stronger.

[silverspawn]

By saying we're open to lynching them tomorrow makes scum less likely to NK them, making the scum narrative stronger.

true, but that's WIFOM.