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Re: Preview: Storyteller
« Reply #25 on: March 30, 2015, 01:34:48 pm »
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What happens when you can't pay all costs of the cards your already have played?
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Re: Preview: Storyteller
« Reply #26 on: March 30, 2015, 01:35:10 pm »
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Combo with Scout: Scout to draw Harems, Storyteller+Harems to draw cards!
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Re: Preview: Storyteller
« Reply #27 on: March 30, 2015, 01:37:43 pm »
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I think the takeaway is that Storyteller likes engines where your payload isn't Treasures (well, it also likes Treasures that do other stuff, like Quarry).  You don't mind sacrificing your Golds to the babbling puppeteer, so long as you can get your Count/Altar/Goons/etc into your hand.

EDIT: Also, unlike Cellar, there's no chance of undesirable cards getting shuffled back into your deck mid-turn.

EDIT2: If I play a Venture with Storyteller, and that puts a 4th (or more) Treasure in play, does that also count towards Storyteller's draw?

But that requires having Golds in the first place.
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Re: Preview: Storyteller
« Reply #28 on: March 30, 2015, 01:39:27 pm »
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I think the takeaway is that Storyteller likes engines where your payload isn't Treasures (well, it also likes Treasures that do other stuff, like Quarry).  You don't mind sacrificing your Golds to the babbling puppeteer, so long as you can get your Count/Altar/Goons/etc into your hand.

EDIT: Also, unlike Cellar, there's no chance of undesirable cards getting shuffled back into your deck mid-turn.

EDIT2: If I play a Venture with Storyteller, and that puts a 4th (or more) Treasure in play, does that also count towards Storyteller's draw?

But that requires having Golds in the first place.
As long as your payload isn't something that is generating you money too, because your storyteller will spend it too...

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Re: Preview: Storyteller
« Reply #29 on: March 30, 2015, 01:40:06 pm »
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What happens when you can't pay all costs of the cards your already have played?

The coin your are paying is the coin that is in your pool, i.e., all the +$ you've collected so far this turn from playing Actions or Treasures (or from Durations).  It isn't the cost of any card.
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Re: Preview: Storyteller
« Reply #30 on: March 30, 2015, 01:41:48 pm »
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Oh.. hm.. it does not affect Coin Tokens, since those can only be spent during the Buy Phase.  So would Coin-Token-based payoffs work?
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Re: Preview: Storyteller
« Reply #31 on: March 30, 2015, 01:43:49 pm »
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Oh, I looove all these previews!!!

You can compare this to Stables.
$X ---(x1)--> +3 Cards
$X ---(x3)--> +X+1 Cards
Plus the money from Action cards (which can be both good or bad...)

With this, Magpie, and Hero, maybe there is a Treasure theme?
« Last Edit: March 30, 2015, 01:45:24 pm by market squire »
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Re: Preview: Storyteller
« Reply #32 on: March 30, 2015, 01:44:04 pm »
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I still don't get it... :'(
What does "Pay all your $" mean?
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Re: Preview: Storyteller
« Reply #33 on: March 30, 2015, 01:46:54 pm »
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I still don't get it... :'(
What does "Pay all your $" mean?

Like.. you play a Market, get +$1.  Then you Storyteller, get +$1.  Then you play Silver, Copper, Copper and get +$4.

So now you have $6.  You must pay all of it, and then you draw 6 cards.
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Re: Preview: Storyteller
« Reply #34 on: March 30, 2015, 01:47:19 pm »
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I don't see a problem with storyteller in engine or treasure decks. All it needs is the draw deck to give you more value than 1 coin per card, and that isn't a very high threshold really.

You should be able to do some clever shuffle management with this card as well.
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Re: Preview: Storyteller
« Reply #35 on: March 30, 2015, 01:47:50 pm »
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Oh, I looove all these previews!!!

You can compare this to Stables.
$X ---(x1)--> +3 Cards
$X ---(x3)--> +X+1 Cards
Plus the money from Action cards (which can be both good or bad...)

With this, Magpie, and Hero, maybe there is a Treasure theme?

I think you have to be careful with the Stables comparison, because as was pointed out above, Stables discards (and can therefore redraw), while this plays the Treasure, so it cannot draw it.
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Re: Preview: Storyteller
« Reply #36 on: March 30, 2015, 01:49:15 pm »
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What happens when you can't pay all costs of the cards your already have played?

The coin your are paying is the coin that is in your pool, i.e., all the +$ you've collected so far this turn from playing Actions or Treasures (or from Durations).  It isn't the cost of any card.

Thanks for the clarification. I am coming closer on how this card works.
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Re: Preview: Storyteller
« Reply #37 on: March 30, 2015, 01:50:58 pm »
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The other was a $5 Action with +1 card and +$1, and it did something else too, but I don't remember what it was. It had two words in its name, but I also forgot what those words were.

This is the card!
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Re: Preview: Storyteller
« Reply #38 on: March 30, 2015, 01:51:58 pm »
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That, namely, is to turn cash into cards. Coppers turn into cantrips, Silvers turn into labs, and Golds turn into double labs, and all on a card which.  This is, in general, an improvement in every case. And all of this is on a card which is a cantrip by itself.

Some extraneous words there.

I know that it isn't the main point of the card, but I like that this is another way to get treasures in play during the action phase.  Completely agree with WW about that.
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Re: Preview: Storyteller
« Reply #39 on: March 30, 2015, 01:54:30 pm »
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So... no clarification on Storyteller/Venture?
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Re: Preview: Storyteller
« Reply #40 on: March 30, 2015, 01:55:04 pm »
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So if I play Storyteller and play Gold, HoP a Mandarin and HoP another Storyteller, with Watchtower in hand, I could do it again, and again, and again... This sounds like it could be fun.
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Re: Preview: Storyteller
« Reply #41 on: March 30, 2015, 01:55:28 pm »
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What happens if you have negative coin from poor house? Obviously it would (virtually) never come up in a game, but I'm curious whether you can "pay" negative coins.
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Re: Preview: Storyteller
« Reply #42 on: March 30, 2015, 01:56:28 pm »
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I still don't get it... :'(
What does "Pay all your $" mean?

Let's say I play a Treasury, then a Storyteller, and play a Venture (which drew a Gold) and a Bank as part of the storyteller. How many cards do I draw from the Storyteller?

The Treasury gave me +$1, the Storyteller gave me +$1, and the Venture gave me +$1, the Gold gave me +$3, and the Bank gave me +$3. That's a total of $9.

So I draw 9 cards, and have 11 in hand with 1 action left to play.

Does that example help?

(Edited to fix brain-fart over how much a Gold gave)
« Last Edit: March 30, 2015, 02:00:44 pm by blaisepascal »
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Re: Preview: Storyteller
« Reply #43 on: March 30, 2015, 01:56:51 pm »
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I think apprentice is a more apt comparison than stables for this. Though neither is really right. This card just plays very differently from any other. I do think it's quite strong if situational but it's also very tricky to play well.
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Re: Preview: Storyteller
« Reply #44 on: March 30, 2015, 01:58:03 pm »
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So... no clarification on Storyteller/Venture?
You get $ from playing the treasure Venture found so you draw cards for that $.

What happens if you have negative coin from poor house? Obviously it would (virtually) never come up in a game, but I'm curious whether you can "pay" negative coins.
Poor House never lowers your $ below 0. It can only decrease it back to $0.
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Re: Preview: Storyteller
« Reply #45 on: March 30, 2015, 01:59:23 pm »
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I still don't get it... :'(
What does "Pay all your $" mean?

Let's say I play a Treasury, then a Storyteller, and play a Venture (which drew a Gold) and a Bank as part of the storyteller. How many cards do I draw from the Storyteller?

The Treasury gave me +$1, the Storyteller gave me +$1, and the Venture gave me +$1, the Gold gave me +$1, and the Bank gave me +$3. That's a total of $7.

So I draw 7 cards, and have 9 in hand with 1 action left to play.

Does that example help?

I think someone sold you some fools gold there.
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Re: Preview: Storyteller
« Reply #46 on: March 30, 2015, 01:59:29 pm »
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So... no clarification on Storyteller/Venture?

You play up to 3 Treasure cards from your hand, but there is no artificial limit on the number of treasures you can play as a result of this card. Venture is a Treasure card and thus you can play it from your hand with this card. Once you play it, you have to resolve all of Venture before you continue resolving Storyteller. Venture digs up another Treasure and then plays it, thus adding to your money count, thus adding to the draw on your Storyteller.
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Re: Preview: Storyteller
« Reply #47 on: March 30, 2015, 02:03:11 pm »
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...the Gold gave me +$1...

I think someone sold you some fools gold there.

Yeah, I noticed that after I hit "post". It's been fixed.
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Re: Preview: Storyteller
« Reply #48 on: March 30, 2015, 02:05:48 pm »
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I think apprentice is a more apt comparison than stables for this. Though neither is really right. This card just plays very differently from any other. I do think it's quite strong if situational but it's also very tricky to play well.

In terms of the current turn, I agree.  You have a similar "+$2 or +3 Cards" with Silver decision.
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Re: Preview: Storyteller
« Reply #49 on: March 30, 2015, 02:07:56 pm »
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I still don't get it... :'(
What does "Pay all your $" mean?

Let's say I play a Treasury, then a Storyteller, and play a Venture (which drew a Gold) and a Bank as part of the storyteller. How many cards do I draw from the Storyteller?

The Treasury gave me +$1, the Storyteller gave me +$1, and the Venture gave me +$1, the Gold gave me +$3, and the Bank gave me +$3. That's a total of $9.

So I draw 9 cards, and have 11 in hand with 1 action left to play.

Does that example help?

(Edited to fix brain-fart over how much a Gold gave)

In that case, you get the 9 cards (to continue your action phase) but not the $9 for the buy phase, don't you?
That's the meaning of "Pay all you $"?

Thank you very much!
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