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[A Drowned Kernel]

Any particular reason why?

[Ichimaru Gin]

Well faust isn't happening right now. I'm going to vote: ADK as well. I thought your case on him was good--and I felt he was really scummy when we were fighting.

PPE: 1

[A Drowned Kernel]

Well faust isn't happening right now. I'm going to vote: ADK as well. I thought your case on him was good--and I felt he was really scummy when we were fighting.

PPE: 1

What case was that?

[Ichimaru Gin]

This one.

[A Drowned Kernel]

so, ADk, was
- fighting the massclaim
- voting for XP because he claimed
- overjustifies his actions
- says Ichi has a super towny role, but then he votes Ichi after he makes a good post, and then there is this huge fight with him.
- then there's the town slip reaction

well and now he put Hydrad at L-2 put unvoted in the same post because Hydrad... made a response?

well, a lot of that isn't necessarily scummy. but it seems different from how he usually plays.

For now, I still like my vote on Hydrad

This, I guess. For the first two, I didn't like the whole claiming thing, and I'm still not convinced we got a lot out of it. Third point, I disagree with silverspawn about that post. I looked scummy to me, so I voted for Ichi. You don't say how my reaction to Ichi's alleged townslip is scummy, you just point it out, so I'm not sure what I'm supposed to say to that.

PPE: yeah, I found it.

[silverspawn]

yes that, and also

Vote however you want to. I hereby give you permission.

"just go for the mislynch"

[Ichimaru Gin]

Yeah that post gave me a bad feeling.

[silverspawn]

You don't say how my reaction to Ichi's alleged townslip is scummy, you just point it out, so I'm not sure what I'm supposed to say to that.

I think I did say that; the point is that you've previously been pretty convinced he's scum, and then just gave up. That's not a usual tell, but I tend not to doubt townslips when I'm scum.

[A Drowned Kernel]

I think that's a pretty thin case. And what's scummy about the "permission" thing? I was mostly being snarky about the fact that Ichi was claiming to be "manipulated" when that didn't really seem to be happening at all.

[ashersky]

SS is odd saying the Hydrad lynch was going too easily. It stalled, in fact, so it's the opposite of easy.

Another odd post by silverspawn.

[Ichimaru Gin]

Essentially 4 posts voting him in a row...I don't know.

[Ichimaru Gin]

Plus he was just at L-1. It's like you're saying the only way to prove the Hydrad lynch is too easy is to actually lynch him...

[silverspawn]

SS is odd saying the Hydrad lynch was going too easily. It stalled, in fact, so it's the opposite of easy.

Another odd post by silverspawn.

I don't think reaching L-1 in a few hours on day 1 and then almost being hammered is stalling. I think that's going really fast.

[silverspawn]

SS is odd saying the Hydrad lynch was going too easily. It stalled, in fact, so it's the opposite of easy.

Another odd post by silverspawn.

I don't think reaching L-1 in a few hours on day 1 and then almost being hammered is stalling. I think that's going really fast.

In fact I'm really curious how do you think the Hydrad lynch was "stalling". seems like a pretty absurd statement

[ashersky]

He never reached L-1, for one.

[ashersky]

The first vote on the wagon was 5 pages ago.

XP start it, WW sheeps for no reason, silverspawn sheeps for no reason, Joseph sheeps for no reason.  That's all in like 20 minutes.

ADK votes then unvotes in the same post, so that doesn't really count, and that was a page later.

We get Awaclus a page later with a nothing vote.

ADK a page later with a vote for Hydrad as a non sequiter (that's L-1, so I guess he did reach it).  But then ss unvotes the same page.

[ashersky]

So basically, it wasn't as ss described at all.

You could argue that "stalling" is too strong a word, but for the person who actually HELPED the stall (by unvoting when the lynch was actually possible) to be complaining about it is laughable.

[ashersky]

The first four votes all together was odd, and definitely notable.  The rest of it was at a normal to slow pace, all things considered, and it died out before a lynch could happen.

So no, it was not "too easy" given it didn't succeed.

"Hey, I just kicked a field goal from 80 yards away!  It's just too easy!"

"Really?  That's amazing.  That has to be a world record!"

"Yeah, well it didn't actually make it to or through the uprights, but man it was too easy!"

vote: field goal kicker

[silverspawn]

I don't really get your logic. As you have just described, he went really fast from someone makes a vote to L-2 and even L-1, in the spawn of like a couple of hours, in a game where we need 7 for a lynch. I don't know about you, but in my experience that's very fast. So, basically, it's exactly like I was saying.

The first four votes all together was odd, and definitely notable.  The rest of it was at a normal to slow pace, all things considered, and it died out before a lynch could happen.

So no, it was not "too easy" given it didn't succeed.

yes, because I prevented it from happening. You can't argue that it wasn't an "easy lynch" because it didn't work when the whole reason why it didn't work is because I thought it was too easy and stopped. That's like if I attempt to jump off a bridge but draw back in the last minute and you say, "hey, trying to jump off that bridge isn't actually dangerous, because you aren't going to do it anyway.

You could argue that "stalling" is too strong a word, but for the person who actually HELPED the stall (by unvoting when the lynch was actually possible) to be complaining about it is laughable.

I haven't been "complaining" about anything. All I did was saying let's try something else, and voted for ADK.

Now, I could have pushed the Hydrad lynch and if I did, he might be lynched now, and he might be scum. But I decided not to, because a) I never had that strong of a read on him, I mostly supported it to make stuff happen, and b) I think we can achieve more today. If ADK doesn't take off, we can still go back and lynch Hydrad, and we'll have a better position tomorrow than we'd have if we just lynched him. Now, if we try to go back to Hydrad and it doesn't work again, then you can argue that the lynch is hard.

tl;dr I don't think you're making too much sense atm, I feel like you're trying to get a reaction from me. That's something you do, isn't it?

[ashersky]

i will say, I don't like the Hydrad lynch and won't support it.

[faust]

It's not really my job to convince you I'm town, and it's probably pointless, but I'll play.

Whose job is it to convince us you're town if not yours?

[faust]

We can also verify my role by just lynching my target tomorrow. That would be cool, but  I'm not sure how much utility it would offer.

Yeah, cool. And then he suddenly dies and you say "oh, I must have been roleblocked!" And the worst thing is, that could actually be true. No I don't think you should use your power at all.

[faust]

I kind of want to lynch Hydrad. Also, what's up with noone responding to my plan post? Do you all agree? Then Awaclus needs to say who he is going to target. For completeness, you can look at it again here:

Plan time. Here's what I think should happen tonight.

2.7 - Henchman
Our protective role. Should target among me/ash/Joseph. Potentially Xerxes. No, not Xerxes, since chairs needs to target him.

A Drowned Kernel - Inventor
This can be used for either double protection (target e), double investigation (target ash or me) or double kill (target Joseph). Double kill might be too risky. Double investigation is probably best.

ashersky - Blind Follower
Well, ash should just target whoever he finds scummiest. (or not, but you know... ash know how to play this role I think)

Hydrad - Detective
This role is good in scum hands, and does little for us. He should probably target e, that gives us the most information.

Awaclus - Pickpocket
Plan time. Awaclus needs to announce his target. Not one of the investigative roles.

XerxesPraelor - Therapist
Xerxes targets [Awaclus' target] and redirects to someone he chooses. Tomorrow, everyone claims whether or not they have been pickpocketed (they should learn this if I remember Awaclus' role correctly). We might catch scum.

Faust - Role Watcher
Basically, I check that everyone does as planned. I'll investigate somewhere.

Joseph2302 - Poisoner
I think he does the Poisoning? I mean it dangerous, but potentially really good.

silverspawn - Regulator
silver: Do you count as targeting every of the n players you choose? silver's role has the most potential to interfere with our plans if use by scum, so we might want to direct it. Roleblock Hydrad against some players sounds good.

Witherweaver - Governor
Strange role. Don't use it at all I guess?

chairs - Mailman
Should send a message to Xerxes containing his target for the following night. Should contain at least 3 names, so that he can move down the list if people die.

Ichimaru Gin - Blackmailer
Well, how to use this? Scum!Ichi can just tell us names different from the ones he actually chose for lynching if he wants it to fail. Meh. Can't we just lynch Ichi?

We should most definitely discuss this before the day ends. Ichi considering a quick lynch there doesn't make me feel better about him.

[Awaclus]

I kind of want to lynch Hydrad. Also, what's up with noone responding to my plan post? Do you all agree? Then Awaclus needs to say who he is going to target.

Does it matter who I'm going to target or can I choose someone arbitrarily?

[faust]

I kind of want to lynch Hydrad. Also, what's up with noone responding to my plan post? Do you all agree? Then Awaclus needs to say who he is going to target.

Does it matter who I'm going to target or can I choose someone arbitrarily?

Doesn't matter much. We want Xerxes to redirect you to scum, so it would be good if you didn't choose scum as a target. So, target some towny player I guess. And probably no investigative role. Also, preferably a player others don't want to target. chairs or e would be good targets I think.