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[Elanchana]

Backstory: I've been itching to try out the KC-KC-Goons-Masquerade pin. Problem is, I don't have much experience with any sets except base, and if I join a game where I'm not quite used to the technique yet I'm going to get slaughtered. Repeatedly. So as soon as I save up enough to buy the all sets pack on Goko, I'm planning on putting together a board and hosting unrated games to try to get used to it.

Challenge: Come up with a kingdom that would be ideal for racing to get the pin cards. (Also say why you chose those particular cards but that should be a given.)

[DG]

There was a challenge a while back to make the strongest deck possible in the simulator (using 5 kingdom cards) and the winner had masquerade, goons, king's court, governor, and maybe quarry. That would be a good starting point for you.

[Awaclus]

You need a Quarry for sure, the other cards aren't very important.

It's worth noting, though, that since you need 3 specific cards in the kingdom, it might never come up in a full random game (I haven't played it even once in over 5000 games on Goko and Isotropic), so you don't necessarily need to practice it.

[eHalcyon]

You need a Quarry for sure, the other cards aren't very important.

It's worth noting, though, that since you need 3 specific cards in the kingdom, it might never come up in a full random game (I haven't played it even once in over 5000 games on Goko and Isotropic), so you don't necessarily need to practice it.

To be fair, it's not 3 specific cards.  It's 2 specific cards and 1 of a set of cards (discard attack).

[Elanchana]

It's not even practice, it's more just experimenting and a fun on-the-side (unrated) challenge for people who want a break from the standard "playing with a randomized kingdom to go up in rating".

[sudgy]

If you want to practice, you should play games with KC+Goons+Masquerade+7 other cards and try to set up the pin the fastest each time.  It would be the most useful for real play.  That's what I did.

[Drab Emordnilap]

You need a Quarry for sure, the other cards aren't very important.

It's worth noting, though, that since you need 3 specific cards in the kingdom, it might never come up in a full random game (I haven't played it even once in over 5000 games on Goko and Isotropic), so you don't necessarily need to practice it.

To be fair, it's not 3 specific cards.  It's 2 specific cards and 1 of a set of cards (discard attack).

There's also some variations with Throne Room instead of King's Court. They only trash two cards a turn, so the other player gets one card hands, but they're there.

[GeoLib]

TR-TR-Minion-Masq-Outpost is my favorite 

[soulnet]

TR-TR-Minion-Masq-Outpost is my favorite 

You need to play Outpost before Masq, otherwise you pass Outpost. TR-Minion, then Outpost, then TR-Masq.

[liopoil]

That risks drawing TR-TR-masq on the outpost turn, with minion in the deck. minion, TR-TR-Outpost-masq works, because a TR stays on the outpost.

[heron]

No, what you have to do is Minion, then Throne Room-Throne Room-Outpost-Masquerade.

Edit: Argh ninja'd

[GeoLib]

Yeah, that wasn't supposed to be in order. The order was left as an exercise for the reader

[Drab Emordnilap]

Yeah, that wasn't supposed to be in order. The order was left as an exercise for the reader

And exercise they did!

[jomini]

A few fun shots:
Tr/Urchin/Outpost/Masq - nobody sees it coming and they are too busying trying to make Merc work. Everything costs under $5.

Kc/Outpost/Masq - no engine potential (so people have a hard time shoehorning in a reliable Masq later) and gets done a lot quicker as you burn 5 cards a turn. For fun you can go Kc/Kc/Outpost/Masq/Discard (e.g. Militia) and win out in 3'er.

Cutpurse/Masq/Two villages/gainer. This is a highly amusing pin - you can not all deplete your opponent's deck, but also take it over. Play Masq (pass a copper, gain a card) -> Cutpurse (Opponent discards a copper) -> Masq (pass a copper, gain a card) -> Cutpurse. You need to play 10 terminals a hand to pin, but you can greatly accelerate your deck by swiping your opponent's villages/draw/etc. I'm a fan of Cp/Masq/Iw/Village/Farming Village. Tricky to setup, but I have never lost a game where I've tried this after getting even the most basic rhythm going (and I played variations every time for a while back on Isotropic).

Like above but even more screwball: B-crat/Masq/Two Villages/Gainer. Pass them estates, top deck them, and trash a silver. You can steal everything but green, and you empty the silver pile ... but they give you every useful thing in their deck.


For a speed run, I think your magic cards are Baker (in Bm deck if need be), Squire, Upgrade, and Scheme.
Open Masq/Upgrade with shelters. Buy Sqr, trash them (into Sch with Upgrade if you can) to get Goons. Upgrade Goons -> Kc.

[Seprix]

That's right, everybody. Let's just throw morals out the window and play dirty. I need a shower, reading all these nasty pins is making me feel unclean.

[GeoLib]

That's right, everybody. Let's just throw morals out the window and play dirty. I need a shower, reading all these nasty pins is making me feel unclean.

Oh dear, let's go back to the "is there a right way to win?" debate. Pinning your opponent because it's the best strategy is not immoral