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Re: Homage to the Best Card
« Reply #2925 on: November 25, 2013, 03:30:59 am »
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I always thought of Vagrant as more like a fixed scout personally.
Yeah, Apothecary serves a very different purpose from Scout because the Coppers it picks up help your buying power that turn. Vagrant is the closest thing there is to a fixed Scout, as it serves the same purpose: it picks up junk from the top of your deck.

Scout is what happens when Vagrant and Cartographer have a baby with no limbs.
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Re: Homage to the Best Card
« Reply #2926 on: November 25, 2013, 12:27:36 pm »
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Re: Homage to the Best Card
« Reply #2927 on: November 25, 2013, 12:38:57 pm »
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Re: Homage to the Best Card
« Reply #2928 on: November 25, 2013, 02:08:28 pm »
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Re: Homage to the Best Card
« Reply #2929 on: November 25, 2013, 02:15:11 pm »
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...terminal upgrade
...plus you gain a Necropolis, until you use it as a one-off selfish Council Room.
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Re: Homage to the Best Card
« Reply #2930 on: November 25, 2013, 02:22:02 pm »
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...terminal upgrade
...plus you gain a Necropolis, until you use it as a one-off selfish Council Room.
Actually you gain a dead card which becomes a one-off selfish Council Room/Necropolis hybrid when you want to use it.
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Re: Homage to the Best Card
« Reply #2931 on: November 25, 2013, 04:20:36 pm »
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...terminal upgrade
...plus you gain a Necropolis, until you use it as a one-off selfish Council Room.
you return the madman whether you draw from it or not.  you only draw if you return it.  the "if you do" clause is confusing because the returning is mandatory, but when you TR or procession it, you play it twice and return it once, hence you only draw once.
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Re: Homage to the Best Card
« Reply #2932 on: November 25, 2013, 06:06:42 pm »
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I think that's probably in the top 5 most respected posts on the forum now, almost certainly the top 10.
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Re: Homage to the Best Card
« Reply #2933 on: November 25, 2013, 06:15:45 pm »
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I think that's probably in the top 5 most respected posts on the forum now, almost certainly the top 10.
It's even got more than my post that started this whole mega-thread!
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Re: Homage to the Best Card
« Reply #2934 on: November 25, 2013, 06:42:06 pm »
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I think that's probably in the top 5 most respected posts on the forum now, almost certainly the top 10.
It's even got more than my post that started this whole mega-thread!

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Re: Homage to the Best Card
« Reply #2935 on: November 26, 2013, 05:36:56 am »
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Re: Homage to the Best Card
« Reply #2936 on: November 27, 2013, 04:03:27 am »
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Depends on the Kingdom, but with Upgrade in play, I'd slightly prefer gaining Scout over nothing at all.
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Re: Homage to the Best Card
« Reply #2937 on: November 28, 2013, 10:43:33 am »
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Depends on the Kingdom, but with Upgrade in play, I'd slightly prefer gaining Scout over nothing at all.

 Agreed, Scout is only terrible if you consider that when you bought it, you could have bought any other $3 or $4 instead. But a free Scout is generally a benefit, not something you'd want to get rid of.
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Re: Homage to the Best Card
« Reply #2938 on: November 28, 2013, 12:22:32 pm »
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Depends on the Kingdom, but with Upgrade in play, I'd slightly prefer gaining Scout over nothing at all.

 Agreed, Scout is only terrible if you consider that when you bought it, you could have bought any other $3 or $4 instead. But a free Scout is generally a benefit, not something you'd want to get rid of.
Once <25% of your deck is green then Scout is on average worse than a do-nothing cantrip. It doesn't take long to get there: after your opening buys, you have a deck of 12 cards with 3 estates, a green density of 25%. The situation gets better for Scout once greening begins, but it's still a pretty narrow window where it's better than nothing.
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Re: Homage to the Best Card
« Reply #2939 on: November 28, 2013, 12:37:48 pm »
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Depends on the Kingdom, but with Upgrade in play, I'd slightly prefer gaining Scout over nothing at all.

 Agreed, Scout is only terrible if you consider that when you bought it, you could have bought any other $3 or $4 instead. But a free Scout is generally a benefit, not something you'd want to get rid of.
Once <25% of your deck is green then Scout is on average worse than a do-nothing cantrip. It doesn't take long to get there: after your opening buys, you have a deck of 12 cards with 3 estates, a green density of 25%. The situation gets better for Scout once greening begins, but it's still a pretty narrow window where it's better than nothing.
Unless you can benefit from the deck manipulation.
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Re: Homage to the Best Card
« Reply #2940 on: November 28, 2013, 12:41:39 pm »
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Depends on the Kingdom, but with Upgrade in play, I'd slightly prefer gaining Scout over nothing at all.

 Agreed, Scout is only terrible if you consider that when you bought it, you could have bought any other $3 or $4 instead. But a free Scout is generally a benefit, not something you'd want to get rid of.

In this particular meme image, the question is whether a Scout is better than a Copper. It's sort of borderline...
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Re: Homage to the Best Card
« Reply #2941 on: November 28, 2013, 12:42:40 pm »
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Depends on the Kingdom, but with Upgrade in play, I'd slightly prefer gaining Scout over nothing at all.

 Agreed, Scout is only terrible if you consider that when you bought it, you could have bought any other $3 or $4 instead. But a free Scout is generally a benefit, not something you'd want to get rid of.
Once <25% of your deck is green then Scout is on average worse than a do-nothing cantrip. It doesn't take long to get there: after your opening buys, you have a deck of 12 cards with 3 estates, a green density of 25%. The situation gets better for Scout once greening begins, but it's still a pretty narrow window where it's better than nothing.

If nothing else, with Upgrade on the table, you can turn the Scout into a useful card or a Duchy in the late game.
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Re: Homage to the Best Card
« Reply #2942 on: November 28, 2013, 03:29:59 pm »
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Depends on the Kingdom, but with Upgrade in play, I'd slightly prefer gaining Scout over nothing at all.

 Agreed, Scout is only terrible if you consider that when you bought it, you could have bought any other $3 or $4 instead. But a free Scout is generally a benefit, not something you'd want to get rid of.
Once <25% of your deck is green then Scout is on average worse than a do-nothing cantrip. It doesn't take long to get there: after your opening buys, you have a deck of 12 cards with 3 estates, a green density of 25%. The situation gets better for Scout once greening begins, but it's still a pretty narrow window where it's better than nothing.

If nothing else, with Upgrade on the table, you can turn the Scout into a useful card or a Duchy in the late game.

Upgrade Scout into Duchy? Psssh. I guess you expect me to draw that Duchy the old-fashioned way like a peasant??
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Re: Homage to the Best Card
« Reply #2943 on: November 28, 2013, 05:17:22 pm »
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Depends on the Kingdom, but with Upgrade in play, I'd slightly prefer gaining Scout over nothing at all.

 Agreed, Scout is only terrible if you consider that when you bought it, you could have bought any other $3 or $4 instead. But a free Scout is generally a benefit, not something you'd want to get rid of.
But maybe you could take that meme as a joke  :P
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Re: Homage to the Best Card
« Reply #2944 on: November 29, 2013, 03:12:09 am »
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Depends on the Kingdom, but with Upgrade in play, I'd slightly prefer gaining Scout over nothing at all.

 Agreed, Scout is only terrible if you consider that when you bought it, you could have bought any other $3 or $4 instead. But a free Scout is generally a benefit, not something you'd want to get rid of.
Once <25% of your deck is green then Scout is on average worse than a do-nothing cantrip. It doesn't take long to get there: after your opening buys, you have a deck of 12 cards with 3 estates, a green density of 25%. The situation gets better for Scout once greening begins, but it's still a pretty narrow window where it's better than nothing.
Unless you can benefit from the deck manipulation.
That's why I mentioned the Upgrade in play; not only you can Upgrade Scout, but by playing Scout/Upgrade, you can choose between 6 instead of 4 cards to Upgrade.
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Re: Homage to the Best Card
« Reply #2945 on: November 29, 2013, 05:01:59 am »
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Re: Homage to the Best Card
« Reply #2946 on: November 29, 2013, 09:02:31 am »
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Scout doesn't dig.
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Re: Homage to the Best Card
« Reply #2947 on: November 29, 2013, 10:21:58 am »
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He digs the grave of whoever willingly gains him.
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Re: Homage to the Best Card
« Reply #2948 on: November 29, 2013, 01:47:05 pm »
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Scout doesn't dig.

Here's my poet's license, officer.

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Re: Homage to the Best Card
« Reply #2949 on: November 29, 2013, 06:20:33 pm »
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He digs the grave of whoever willingly gains him.

Chapeau!
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