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Re: New Expansion Speculation
« Reply #300 on: November 28, 2014, 09:25:51 pm »
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Druid gets Druid of the Fang, a 4/4 for 5 mana that transforms into a 7/7 if you have a beast.

4 words:
Combos with Gnomish Experimenter.

(Chicken is 0 mana)

Also for some fun fan speculation, I hope they make a card that give a bonus to cards with no card text (including silenced minions). Something like a battlecry that gives vanilla minions +1/+1. It's unlikely, but I'll kick myself if they release such a card and I can't yell "called it!"

Chicken was confirm as 1 mana I'm pretty sure.
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Re: New Expansion Speculation
« Reply #301 on: November 28, 2014, 09:33:57 pm »
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Sniper is much better than shadowform for the same reasons auchenai soulpriest is better than shadowform. 
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Re: New Expansion Speculation
« Reply #302 on: November 28, 2014, 09:56:45 pm »
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I sketched out a few deck ideas building around the new cards.

1st one is a deck that controls for a while, then plays a bunch of cards all at once to Feign death.  It's kind of like the old-school 1 mana UTH deck which was really effective at controlling because explosive trap is so much better if you don't play dudes.

http://www.hearthpwn.com/decks/124106-megafeign

This deck builds around the stealthed sensei interaction Jorbles (?) mentioned.  Nat Pagle is in as an alternate permastealth target, though I figured Hogger was too pricey.  If you can stealth an Iron Sensei every mech for the rest of the game will get +2/+2 when you play it after getting your board cleared by enemy minions so eventually your minions should start sticking, theoretically, maybe.

http://www.hearthpwn.com/decks/124107-hidden-sensei

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Re: New Expansion Speculation
« Reply #303 on: November 28, 2014, 09:59:49 pm »
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This is what Ancestor's Call would look like, sadly it's probably terrible but I really want decks that involve Ysera to be good.

http://www.hearthpwn.com/decks/124108-d

if you built around Ancestor's Call that's what I figured it'd look like.  Ancestral spirit into reincarnate is a 4 mana faceless for a cheap thing you've cheated out.
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Re: New Expansion Speculation
« Reply #304 on: November 28, 2014, 10:04:06 pm »
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This is what Ancestor's Call would look like, sadly it's probably terrible but I really want decks that involve Ysera to be good.

http://www.hearthpwn.com/decks/124108-d

if you built around Ancestor's Call that's what I figured it'd look like.  Ancestral spirit into reincarnate is a 4 mana faceless for a cheap thing you've cheated out.

Crackle?  Is that another new card?
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Re: New Expansion Speculation
« Reply #305 on: November 28, 2014, 10:05:54 pm »
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You can mouseover new cards to read them. 

Hearthpwn seems to be a day ahead of you guys sometimes.
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Re: New Expansion Speculation
« Reply #306 on: November 28, 2014, 10:15:50 pm »
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You can mouseover new cards to read them. 

Hearthpwn seems to be a day ahead of you guys sometimes.

I know I can mouse over them. I just hadn't seen it before and I've been checking daily for new cards. Just haven't been looking at Hearthpwn.
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Re: New Expansion Speculation
« Reply #307 on: November 28, 2014, 10:18:57 pm »
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The only other card I hadn't seen was Felheart(?). Warlock spell. 5 mana, deal 5 damage to a minion, if it's  a friendly minion give it +5/+5.

Doesn't seem that great. Although that's a pretty good buff. Maybe a demon deck could work a little better with this? It is better than the 2 mana variant already in the game.
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Re: New Expansion Speculation
« Reply #308 on: November 28, 2014, 10:23:46 pm »
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Only if it's a friendly Demon.  Zog what's with you and ignoring creature types?

But yeah it's not that exciting to me.  I think Mech zoo or deathrattle zoo will be better
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Re: New Expansion Speculation
« Reply #309 on: November 28, 2014, 10:25:35 pm »
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Druid gets Druid of the Fang, a 4/4 for 5 mana that transforms into a 7/7 if you have a beast.

4 words:
Combos with Gnomish Experimenter.

(Chicken is 0 mana)

Also for some fun fan speculation, I hope they make a card that give a bonus to cards with no card text (including silenced minions). Something like a battlecry that gives vanilla minions +1/+1. It's unlikely, but I'll kick myself if they release such a card and I can't yell "called it!"

Chicken was confirm as 1 mana I'm pretty sure.
Aww. Haven't seen full confirmation, but it's been mentioned so someone probably saw it as such during Blizzcon.

I'll try to sketch out that priest deck I'd want to build on Hearthpwn. Coming up.
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Re: New Expansion Speculation
« Reply #310 on: November 29, 2014, 12:58:17 pm »
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So the last Ancestor's call deck i posted, I didn't know about crackle till I saw it while i was transferring what I had written on paper to the computer and was like "oh ok".

Now I realize that crackle enables an OTK (well, there was an OTK without crackle, but crackle gives you enough face burn in deck to play Lightning Bolts early without jeopardizing your OTK too much which is important).

Shaman will now have the strongest OTK that I know of, doing up to 36-39 damage from hand.
I think you definitely want to build something a lot more like this:

http://www.hearthpwn.com/decks/124340-miracle-shaman

And some form of this deck could very well be a defining feature of the meta I think. 

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Re: New Expansion Speculation
« Reply #311 on: November 29, 2014, 01:00:42 pm »
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Question: How do Reincarnate, Ancestral Spirit, Feign Death, and Poison Seeds interact with Explosive Sheep?  Only Feign works, right?

Does Recombobulator and Piloted Shredder grab class minions or noncollectible minions?
Does Blingtron get any noncollectible weapons?
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Re: New Expansion Speculation
« Reply #312 on: November 29, 2014, 01:08:05 pm »
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Question: How do Reincarnate, Ancestral Spirit, Feign Death, and Poison Seeds interact with Explosive Sheep?  Only Feign works, right?

Does Recombobulator and Piloted Shredder grab class minions or noncollectible minions?
Does Blingtron get any noncollectible weapons?

I assume shredders only get collectible minions. Getting Voltron is way too crazy. Same with Recombobulator.

Reincarnate would trigger the sheep and then come back to life, giving a 2dmg AoE. Same with Ancestral Spirit, it'll die, do the AoE and then reappear. Feing Death will just do an AoE. Poison seeds won't work in the same way it doesn't work with Abomination.
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Re: New Expansion Speculation
« Reply #313 on: November 29, 2014, 02:24:36 pm »
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You seemed ambiguous on whether the Sheep dies again with reincarnate.
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Re: New Expansion Speculation
« Reply #314 on: November 29, 2014, 02:41:47 pm »
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You seemed ambiguous on whether the Sheep dies again with reincarnate.

No it wouldn't. When you reincarnate the minion dies, then the deathrattle happens, then it respawns. I play a lot of Reincarnate Shaman and the minion always spawns after the deathrattle. You reincarnate Sylvannas, a minion gets stolen, then you get Sylvannas back only if there's a spot on your board. So Sheep would die, AoE, then you get it back.
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Re: New Expansion Speculation
« Reply #315 on: November 29, 2014, 08:43:23 pm »
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Yeah so here's some fun decks I'd want to try out for GvG;

Upgraded Repair Bot inspired Priest feat. Inner Fire:
http://www.hearthpwn.com/decks/124474-inner-fire-mech

And a Mech Mage deck of sorts:
http://www.hearthpwn.com/decks/124478-mech-mage
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Re: New Expansion Speculation
« Reply #316 on: November 29, 2014, 09:35:45 pm »
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Yeah so here's some fun decks I'd want to try out for GvG;

Upgraded Repair Bot inspired Priest feat. Inner Fire:
http://www.hearthpwn.com/decks/124474-inner-fire-mech

And a Mech Mage deck of sorts:
http://www.hearthpwn.com/decks/124478-mech-mage

There doesn't seem to be enough health buffs to justify Inner fire in this deck. Also, even if oyu're making a gimmicky Priest deck I'd never run less than 2 SW:D. There are so few games where they are dead. I know many people run only 1 but I never liked not having 2.

Also Toshley is a fun new card, but I can't imagine it being better than Cairne or Sylvannas.
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Re: New Expansion Speculation
« Reply #317 on: November 29, 2014, 09:57:42 pm »
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Toshley > Sylvanas only if Gadgetzan's in your deck.

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Re: New Expansion Speculation
« Reply #318 on: November 29, 2014, 09:58:25 pm »
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edit: okay, or antonidas!!!
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Re: New Expansion Speculation
« Reply #319 on: November 30, 2014, 12:05:19 am »
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Yeah so here's some fun decks I'd want to try out for GvG;

Upgraded Repair Bot inspired Priest feat. Inner Fire:
http://www.hearthpwn.com/decks/124474-inner-fire-mech

And a Mech Mage deck of sorts:
http://www.hearthpwn.com/decks/124478-mech-mage

There doesn't seem to be enough health buffs to justify Inner fire in this deck. Also, even if oyu're making a gimmicky Priest deck I'd never run less than 2 SW:D. There are so few games where they are dead. I know many people run only 1 but I never liked not having 2.

Also Toshley is a fun new card, but I can't imagine it being better than Cairne or Sylvannas.
I was surprised by how limiting the max-30 card deck was for the priest deck. In order to make the priest deck work, I need to really rework that deck to get it out of my comfort zone. Given the limited space, I'm not sold on the Shrinkmeisters. If I removed them, I could easily swap a SW:pain for a SW:Death. I like how Rivendare is potentially a good target for Inner Fire. The real problem I see with the deck right now is the lack of real threats.

About the mage deck, what I really want to see is how good the spare parts can be. You're really living the dream if you have Sorceror's apprentice on the board when you plop Antonidas.
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Re: New Expansion Speculation
« Reply #320 on: November 30, 2014, 12:07:57 am »
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Yeah, that's the main problem with Inner Fire. You're working to make big threats when you could just play them in single cards. I think Shrinkmeister will be a must have in a lot of decks. Or at least Priest decks that are not Mech oriented. If you're going Mech oriented perhaps you leave them out for things like Mech Warper and repair bot.
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Re: New Expansion Speculation
« Reply #321 on: November 30, 2014, 11:58:55 am »
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I don't think Priest will have a top tier Mech deck which probably leaves upgraded repair bot homeless.  You have to establish lots of board presence.  If someone wipes your whole board except for your Dark Cultist, Upgraded Repair Bot doesn't help you.  Other classes can get so much massive board presence that they can guarantee DoA always has targets and Houndmaster always has targets but priest usually doesn't, they're good at deliberately losing board presence to Auchenai Circle or Nova.

Blizz's push for midrange priest just isn't enough, you're still going to want to play that class as control.
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Re: New Expansion Speculation
« Reply #322 on: November 30, 2014, 12:01:01 pm »
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The Mage deck looks better, but I don't think Bomb Lobber is a constructed card.
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Re: New Expansion Speculation
« Reply #323 on: November 30, 2014, 12:04:38 pm »
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The Mage deck looks better, but I don't think Bomb Lobber is a constructed card.
The bomb lobber is like a cheaper Argent Commander. Unfortunately Sludge Belcher is super popular in constructed, so the bomb lobber is still not doing enough there. Maybe Azure drake works better there?

I have high hopes for Blast Mage though. And 5 attack is what you need against belchers.
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Re: New Expansion Speculation
« Reply #324 on: November 30, 2014, 12:06:57 pm »
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The Mage deck looks better, but I don't think Bomb Lobber is a constructed card.

It'll only be in constructed if Miracle is really big. But I don't think it will be. It's already not popular.
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