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[Hydrad]

I can't believe that actually worked. I joined the wagon thinking it wouldn't go anywhere because people don't like lynching early. Yay for non-derphammers!

And why don't we lynch ash when he does stuff like this?

because I wanna hear the ashplan!

[ashersky]

Stuff like what?

[silverspawn]

I really, really don't like the lynch.

[silverspawn]

I feel like people are often too okay with lynching town day one. You should try to lynch scum, not town. And I don't think he was scum.

[XerxesPraelor]

vote: silverspawn

He admitted he was scum.

[XerxesPraelor]

Stuff like what?

I mean making horrible cases and unjustified decisions. You haven't done it recently - I'm not making an accusation. It's just that this seemed that this was the first time we successfully lynched for that, and that's interesting (TM).

[Witherweaver]

vote: silverspawn

He admitted he was scum.

I'm not convinced he wasn't just trolling.

[Witherweaver]

By the way, WW : I don't care that you predicted being hated for it or whatever, that hammer was premature, I don't like it.

I know, but I don't feel bad about it. 

[Witherweaver]

Stuff like what?

I mean making horrible cases and unjustified decisions. You haven't done it recently - I'm not making an accusation. It's just that this seemed that this was the first time we successfully lynched for that, and that's interesting (TM).

Because Ash isn't a jerk and doesn't personally insult people when he makes bad cases. 

[silverspawn]

vote: silverspawn

He admitted he was scum.

His twilight post read more like town to be than scum.

[ashersky]

His twilight post is disregardable at best.

If he's town, I'd be interested in actual final thoughts (other than his thoughts on TA).

[XerxesPraelor]

Stuff like what?

I mean making horrible cases and unjustified decisions. You haven't done it recently - I'm not making an accusation. It's just that this seemed that this was the first time we successfully lynched for that, and that's interesting (TM).

Because Ash isn't a jerk and doesn't personally insult people when he makes bad cases. 

Fair enough.

[Robz888]

I've asked reinoe to spill all details of any powers he might have in our QT. I doubt he complies, but we'll see.

I do think he's definitely town, though I'm pretty much fine with him getting lynched. And this seems like it was an okay Day 1.

As for the "Jacob controls the island" thing. So, I don't have any specific knowledge about what controls that. However, in the show, there are a list of "candidates" to replace Jacob. So it could have something to do with that. The characters who are candidates are Jack, John Locke, Sawyer, Hurley, Sayid, and either Jin or Sun (it's never clarified which one).

But this might be reaching, since the show implies that there were a lot of other candidates at one time, but they all got crossed the list at one point or another.

This kinda sounds like Jacob might have power over the island now but later in the game he might lose it?

In the show did Jacob start out with power over the island?

Yes, he did. Although technically he never really lost it.

[Ichimaru Gin]

vote: silverspawn

He admitted he was scum.

I'm not convinced he wasn't just trolling.

This.

If we have to eliminate someone to streamline the game, I think this was a good choice. I don't really find his post townie either. Sure, he's probably really ticked off at being lynched either way--but his WIFOM thing is anti-town. At the very least, he's not playing to his wincon, at worst, scum. If he was town and really cared about his wincon, he wouldn't do this. Barring some super secret thing that I don't know about--maybe he has a twilight power or something. Or he knows he won't actually die.

[2.71828.....]

If he doesn't actually die then we lynch him again.  Kind of like what happened to me in Guilds.  I quickhammered, everyone thought I was scummy for it (I just did it because I thought it would be fun (and I had a plan to try to trick the cop into investigating me and getting a town result)) and then I got lynched.  Didn't die, made all sorts of last-ditch crazy claims, then got lynched again.

Long story short.  If someone doesn't die, we should keep lynching them until they die.

[reinoe]

I can't believe that actually worked. I joined the wagon thinking it wouldn't go anywhere because people don't like lynching early. Yay for non-derphammers!

And why don't we lynch ash when he does stuff like this?

That was a derphammer, and the entire faction I'm aligned with is on my wagon.  I'm phone posting so I can't access the neighborhood because my phone hates Qt.  I wasn't joking about scum motivated push.  The lack of counterwagon, the speed.  That's a classic scum push.

[reinoe]

Stuff like what?

I mean making horrible cases and unjustified decisions. You haven't done it recently - I'm not making an accusation. It's just that this seemed that this was the first time we successfully lynched for that, and that's interesting (TM).

Because Ash isn't a jerk and doesn't personally insult people when he makes bad cases.

Your standards of "personal insult" are too high.  "Lazy" was not even an insult considering it was a direct reference to someone's play.  If you can't handle a player being called "lazy" in that context then I weep for you.

[ashersky]

I can't believe that actually worked. I joined the wagon thinking it wouldn't go anywhere because people don't like lynching early. Yay for non-derphammers!

And why don't we lynch ash when he does stuff like this?

That was a derphammer, and the entire faction I'm aligned with is on my wagon.  I'm phone posting so I can't access the neighborhood because my phone hates Qt.  I wasn't joking about scum motivated push.  The lack of counterwagon, the speed.  That's a classic scum push.

Parsing this...

--you think the hammer came from town ("that was a derphammer")
--you think your lynch was pushed by scum (thereby saying you are town, I think)
--so there are zero town players off-wagon ("...the entire faction I'm aligned with is on my wagon")

Is that about right?

[reinoe]

If he doesn't actually die then we lynch him again.  Kind of like what happened to me in Guilds.  I quickhammered, everyone thought I was scummy for it (I just did it because I thought it would be fun (and I had a plan to try to trick the cop into investigating me and getting a town result)) and then I got lynched.  Didn't die, made all sorts of last-ditch crazy claims, then got lynched again.

Long story short.  If someone doesn't die, we should keep lynching them until they die.

Considering my extreme distaste for bussing I will say that xxtip's vote was definitely the worst on that scum motivated wagon.

[reinoe]

I can't believe that actually worked. I joined the wagon thinking it wouldn't go anywhere because people don't like lynching early. Yay for non-derphammers!

And why don't we lynch ash when he does stuff like this?

That was a derphammer, and the entire faction I'm aligned with is on my wagon.  I'm phone posting so I can't access the neighborhood because my phone hates Qt.  I wasn't joking about scum motivated push.  The lack of counterwagon, the speed.  That's a classic scum push.

Parsing this...

--you think the hammer came from town ("that was a derphammer")
--you think your lynch was pushed by scum (thereby saying you are town, I think)
--so there are zero town players off-wagon ("...the entire faction I'm aligned with is on my wagon")

Is that about right?

1) Derphammers in my context can come from scum or town.
2) No I'm definitely scum and I think it's multiball.
3) I wouldn't be surprised if all the scum in the game are on my wagon.  I know faction can be found there.

Robzz is a much more palatable player than TA.  Just because I'm scum doesn't mean I wasn't scum hunting.  Totally serious about TA scum claiming.  Robz would have handled things much better.

[Ichimaru Gin]

Robzz is a much more palatable player than TA.

I don't think statements like this are helpful or objectively true.

[reinoe]

Robzz is a much more palatable player than TA.

I don't think statements like this are helpful or objectively true.

I take umbrage with someone who complains about neighborhood revelation when they never brought it up over a 2 1/2 day span.  But I've gone over that already.

[XerxesPraelor]

You didn't talk about it, therefore you shouldn't reveal it. If you wanted to reveal, you should have brought it up in the QT. The person making a big decision has the responsibility to ask first, especially since it appears to have daychat. Not revealing is the default.

[reinoe]

You didn't talk about it, therefore you shouldn't reveal it. If you wanted to reveal, you should have brought it up in the QT. The person making a big decision has the responsibility to ask first, especially since it appears to have daychat. Not revealing is the default.

I'm not budging on my opinion.  You're wrong in light of scum killing the other person and then fake-claiming.

[ashersky]

You didn't talk about it, therefore you shouldn't reveal it. If you wanted to reveal, you should have brought it up in the QT. The person making a big decision has the responsibility to ask first, especially since it appears to have daychat. Not revealing is the default.

I'm not budging on my opinion.  You're wrong in light of scum killing the other person and then fake-claiming.

So, like if you/Robz were town/scum and neighbors...you guys don't claim, Robz and his team NK you on N1...on D2 Robz and a scumpartner fakeclaim neighbors along with the dead you?

Not sure what scum gains, although it's a neat idea.