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[Voltaire]

I've tried to move on, but Teproc (currently, you previously) continues to push me and has made it a "claim or die" threat.  And now he's calling me an unfun poopyhead (basically) for not following his orders.

"Claim or die", at least for me, is my entirely within-game decision on the best way to proceed given the information you've provided.

[ashersky]

It will take a majority of town deciding that they do not believe me.  If they don't believe me, that's on them, not on me.  I told the truth, I explained my motives, there's nothing left for me to do that doesn't go against my core values.

Your core values of going to your grave a cop who didn't share his result?

My core belief that a town PR (not a lying scum fake PR) has the absolutely right to use his/her role in the way they believe benefits town the most.  (Yes, there are exceptions where we can, collectively, decide that directing a PR's shot makes more sense than allowing that role to decide, but even then, it's a true discussion.)

[Teproc]

Yes, calling WW an IC is hyperbolic, you'll notice most of us have been saying "pseudo-IC" or "IC-ish".

[Voltaire]

Is typing out "strong town-read" or "basically town" or the like a pain?  We can decide a new acronym, if you want.  OT for obvtown.  WL for won't lynch.  IC is a specific mafia role with specific connotations for balance and gameplay.

Then I sympathize that we are, technically, abusing the term. The mod-thingy + WW's play yesterday = WW is obv!town for me.

[Teproc]

I've tried to move on, but Teproc (currently, you previously) continues to push me and has made it a "claim or die" threat.  And now he's calling me an unfun poopyhead (basically) for not following his orders.

"Claim or die", at least for me, is my entirely within-game decision on the best way to proceed given the information you've provided.

It is for me as well. The other stuff I'm talking about is just becauseI fear that town!ash thinks too much of himself to just give in to peer pressure.

I understand you don't want to do it, and that's why you're making us go through this. But you will claim, and if you don't you're not playing the game rationally.

[Voltaire]

My core belief that a town PR (not a lying scum fake PR) has the absolutely right to use his/her role in the way they believe benefits town the most.  (Yes, there are exceptions where we can, collectively, decide that directing a PR's shot makes more sense than allowing that role to decide, but even then, it's a true discussion.)

If that's what you're doing, if you are indeed lynched and don't share your result, and flip town, then I respect that. But I will not understand it. Because if it gives you lots of information, it won't give me any, and you'll be dead and I'll be alive and it won't have helped me.

[Robz888]

GUYS! This is like the most town!ash thing to do, ever. Yes, he's being ridiculous, and yes he should divulge when Volt damn well tells him to divulge. I absolutely, absolutely, disagree with him, and yet I fully believe him to be town--and yes, I believe he would absolutely allow himself to be lynched rather than compromise on something like this.

If you're voting for ash right now, you are making an emotional decision to punish him for being obstinate and difficult and wrong. But you're not making the intelligent decision. So please don't.

[Voltaire]

You think the odds that scum!ash wants to make sure he has the perfect target are that low?

[Teproc]

ash is perfectly able to do this as scum.

[Robz888]

You think the odds that scum!ash wants to make sure he has the perfect target are that low?

Yes.

[Witherweaver]

Eh, he'd very very much do this as town, which means he'd very very much do this as scum.

This entire conversation is pretty null.

[Witherweaver]

Ash, are we to assume that your target has not yet claimed, then?

[Robz888]

Look I fully believe we would lynch him for this, and I fully believe scum!ash knows this. I also fully believe town!ash would be willing to die/lose for his (wrong, in this case) principles.

[Robz888]

I think he's way more likely to do this as town.

[Voltaire]

Ash, are we to assume that your target has not yet claimed, then?

Yes. He said he would claim after his target. Well, some time after his target...so the goalpost could move again.

[Voltaire]

Look I fully believe we would lynch him for this, and I fully believe scum!ash knows this. I also fully believe town!ash would be willing to die/lose for his (wrong, in this case) principles.

I don't. He's threatened super-crazy stuff before, never actually done it (as town). Right?

[Teproc]

I think he's way more likely to do this as town.

Don't you think scum!ash knows you'll think this ? That I'll think this ? That everyone will. Scum!ash would do this because he believes we'll chicken out. Let's not.

[silverspawn]

well, if it's objectively right for town to claim in this situation, I don't think we should do exceptions. Even if it's better for this game, which I don't think it is, it would mean giving him exclusive advantages that no other player gets. Any player should try to do what's best for his alignment, and if it's best for town that ash claims, we should make him claim, even if town!ash would rather be lynched than doing it.

[silverspawn]

also, I really think ash expected robz to come and defend him. I almost expected it, and I've only seen their interactions in one game.

[Voltaire]

also, I really think ash expected robz to come and defend him. I almost expected it, and I've only seen their interactions in one game.

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[Voltaire]

Let's talk about that result of yours, though, silver. Innocent or Realm-Aligned?

[silverspawn]

the pm said realm-aligned. I was assuming that's the same thing.

[Teproc]

Let's talk about that result of yours, though, silver. Innocent or Realm-Aligned?

Why did you go and make that a leading question ?

[Voltaire]

Let's talk about that result of yours, though, silver. Innocent or Realm-Aligned?

Why did you go and make that a leading question ?

Because ash already said it. Pretending silver didn't notice is stupid at this point.

[Voltaire]

And why did you target XP?