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[silverspawn]

Why are we waiting? if you guys just go we can continue with the game.

ww wants us to claim simultaneously, so we have to coordinate it somehow.

That was you, actually.  You listed us both as "6" in your claims list.  But you should claim.

no. i'm more towny than you. you either go first or we go together.

You typed up a big case against Joth and then voted XP and let someone else hammer scum!Joth.

i typed a case for joth, where I explained why I didn't think he was scummy. in the end, I was almost convinced that he was town.

and I totally understand why that would make me scummy. I even expected it to. but there seems to be a pretty clear consensus that i'm towny, and majority counts.

[silverspawn]

besides, there is no disadvantage in simultaneous claiming. noone has any information.

[silverspawn]

see this clock?

http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/timezone/utc

I say we wait until it's at exactly 53:00 minutes, and then we both post at the same time

[Witherweaver]

I didn't find it a very good explanation for thinking he was towny.. I think the whole thing makes you look a bit suspicious, except that you probably wouldn't want to single yourself out so much.  On the other hand, you may have thought you "reasoning" (in this scenario, it would be fake) would hold up enough to make your decisions look valid.

Anyway, there's 0% I stay on Joth like that as his partner when given every opportunity to turn away.

I guess I could be an SK, from other people's perspective.  And not shooting for no intelligible reason.

[Witherweaver]

see this clock?

http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/timezone/utc

I say we wait until it's at exactly 53:00 minutes, and then we both post at the same time

Haha, cool.  Okay.

[silverspawn]

but if you're late, I'll push your case 

[silverspawn]

I'm a one-shot doctor.

[Witherweaver]

I am Tiger Tanaka a Vanilla Townie.

I don't know who Tiger Tanaka is

[Witherweaver]

Six seconds

[Witherweaver]

.... you're a one-shot doctor.  You should 1000000% believe XP?

[silverspawn]

yea, you missed it. but your post had slightly more complex formating, so It'd probably be hard to fake that in 6 seconds. not to mention that you'd also have to reload the page at the exact right moment.

.... you're a one-shot doctor.  You should 1000000% believe XP?

why?

[Witherweaver]

yea, you missed it. but your post had slightly more complex formating, so It'd probably be hard to fake that in 6 seconds. not to mention that you'd also have to reload the page at the exact right moment.

.... you're a one-shot doctor.  You should 1000000% believe XP?

why?

Doctor Roles
D = Doctor
DD = Doctor + 1-Shot Doctor
DDD = 2 Doctors
DDDD = 2 Doctors + 1-Shot Doctor
DDDDD = 3 Doctorsp.

[silverspawn]

your point is that there is at least one doctor if there is a one-shot doctor, so as long as noone counter claims, he has to be telling the truth?

[silverspawn]

let's see the player list

1. Robz888 - Vanilla Towny
2. Hydrad - One Shot Vig
3. silverspawn - One Shot Doctor
4. jotheonah - Godfather
5. Eevee - Vanilla Towny
6. Kingzog3 - Vanilla Towny
7. Witherweaver - Vanilly Towny
8. liopoil - Vanilla Towny
9. Voltaire - Cop
10. XerxesPraelor - Doctor
11. sudgy - Mason
12. SK - Mason
13. Twistedarcher - Vanilla Towny

confirmed roles are bold

[Witherweaver]

Claims:

XP: Doctor D
Hydrad: One-shot Vig V
Voltaire: Cop CC
Silverspawn: One-shot Doctor D
Liopoil: VT
Witherweaver: VT
Eevee: VT
Kingzog: VT

Hydrad, SK: Masons MM

If everyone is telling the truth, we have:

DDMMVCC.

So no T's, so scum team is: Goon + Roleblocker + Godfather.  Scum has to be in the Vanilla Townie claims, Lio, Kingzog, Eevee.

Right now I'm thinking it's more likely that Voltaire lied.

XP/Silverspawn have to be the same alignment.

[Witherweaver]

your point is that there is at least one doctor if there is a one-shot doctor, so as long as noone counter claims, he has to be telling the truth?

We've all claimed.  If you're really a one-shot doctor, you know there is a full doctor in the setup.  If you're town, XP must be.  (I'm assuming no town is holding back in their claims here.)

[silverspawn]

form a point of probability, it's very unlikely that there are zero t's. 1/128 to be exact

pretty sure someone is lying here

and it was definitely a good choice that I go last.

[silverspawn]

We've all claimed.  If you're really a one-shot doctor, you know there is a full doctor in the setup.  If you're town, XP must be.  (I'm assuming no town is holding back in their claims here.)

yea you're right. I'm once again guilty of not having read the setup thoroughly enough.

but that means that we have to believe XP chose terrible targets. or lynch one of us to make sure.

[Witherweaver]

I'm fairly willing to believe that XP does unconventional things, including target choosing.

[silverspawn]

actually, I think there is another explanation.

I was targeting XP in night one. he claimed to be a doctor, and I didn't think he was full of shit yet, so I protected him.

what if Hydrad is a SK who targeted XP in night one? then in night two, he claimed one-shot Vig, and targeted robz. now we probably don't suspect him. of course, if he kills someone again, we'll know, but he may get away with staying low till the end.

let me look what a SK means in the setup

T = Goon + Roleblocker + Godfather, Serial Killer (Investigation Immune OR 1-Shot Bulletproof)

yea, that works. in that case, scum are among the VT's

I'm not saying this is likely, and I know SK hunting is considered scummy, but we really should consider it. For a SK, killing a doctor makes a lot of sense.

[silverspawn]

so, this also means that XP is an IC child for me now. eww. well, unvote.

[Witherweaver]

If Volt is scum, then you+XP are cleared.  His partner has to be Hydrad (But that implies there's an SK...) or {Liopoil, Kingzog, Eevee}.

Can Hydrad be Mafia?

If it's Volt+Hydrad, then the rolls were MMDDTTT: TTT = 2 Goons + Roleblocker, Serial Killer (Investigation Immune OR 1-Shot Bulletproof).  Not possible because we know there's a Godfather.  Okay, can't be that.

If Hydrad is lying and Volt is telling the truth, then it's MMDDCCT, so T=Goon + Roleblocker + Godfather, Serial Killer (Investigation Immune OR 1-Shot Bulletproof).  Then two Vanilla claims are Goon and Godfather and Hydrad is SK, or Hydrad is Mafia with a Vanilla and there's another SK.

I'm finding the Hydrad lying thing to be unlikely.

Looks like it's either:

1) Silver+XP (not too likely in my eyes)
2) Volt+{Liopoil, Kingzog, Eevee}
3) Any two of {Liopoil, Kingzog, Eevee}.

You guys can consider the case where I'm scum if you'd like, but I'm obv!town here.

[Witherweaver]

Okay, given that you protected XP night 1, Hydrad being SK is slightly more likely.  If Hydrad is SK, that clears Volt, so that's still just case (3) with an additional SK.

[silverspawn]

okay, so again. these are the three possible options:

TT = Goon + Roleblocker + Godfather
T = Goon + Roleblocker + Godfather, Serial Killer (Investigation Immune OR 1-Shot Bulletproof)
0 Ts = Goon + Roleblocker + Godfather

because, 3 and 4 T's don't have a godfather, and I doubt we have 5 or more

0 T means everyone has claimed correctly.

1 T means we have a SK. that has to be hydrad. In that case, everyone else also claimed correctly, because we already have one PR less with Hydrad being an SK

2 T means two people were llying, and we don't have an SK. in that case, Hydrad has to have claimed correctly, and two other people were lying. I now know XP wasn't lying. Hydrad can't have lied. So, that only leaves voltaire.

... actually, one T is the most likely option. If I'm getting it right, I think it's very likely that Hydrad is in fact an SK.

and, of course, for you there is a third option, which is that XP and me are the 2 remaining scum.

[Witherweaver]

Why is one T more likely than two T's?