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Re: Really bad card ideas
« Reply #2625 on: May 29, 2014, 01:09:35 pm »
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Pi, action $3

Begin naming digits of pi until you name one incorrectly. For each correctly named digit, +$1. If you correctly name 100 digits, you win.

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Hey, I would get +$9 with each play!  Easy win!
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Re: Really bad card ideas
« Reply #2626 on: May 29, 2014, 02:07:42 pm »
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Pi, action $3

Begin naming digits of pi until you name one incorrectly. For each correctly named digit, +$1. If you correctly name 100 digits, you win.

-$10 (to a minimum of $0)

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Setup: In games using this, calculators are not allowed within 10 metres of the table.

Hey, I would get +$9 with each play!  Easy win!

I think I'd get +$13. Which really is far too much, Pi is ~3.14 for most purposes, 3.1416 for precise work.
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Re: Really bad card ideas
« Reply #2627 on: May 29, 2014, 02:22:03 pm »
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Euler $P Action

Name digits of e until you name one incorrectly.  +$eix where x is the number of correctly named digits.

Clarification: +$i = +P


Good luck trying to get 5*pi/2 correct digits of e to get +P...
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Re: Really bad card ideas
« Reply #2628 on: May 29, 2014, 02:31:02 pm »
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Pi, action $3

Begin naming digits of pi until you name one incorrectly. For each correctly named digit, +$1. If you correctly name 100 digits, you win.

-$10 (to a minimum of $0)

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Setup: In games using this, calculators are not allowed within 10 metres of the table.

Hey, I would get +$9 with each play!  Easy win!

I think I'd get +$13. Which really is far too much, Pi is ~3.14 for most purposes, 3.1416 for precise work.

Did anyone else cringe at the "6" at the end there?

I'd have gotten +$120 a few years ago; probably only +$50 now.
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Re: Really bad card ideas
« Reply #2629 on: May 29, 2014, 02:31:58 pm »
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Pi, action $3

Begin naming digits of pi until you name one incorrectly. For each correctly named digit, +$1. If you correctly name 100 digits, you win.

-$10 (to a minimum of $0)

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Setup: In games using this, calculators are not allowed within 10 metres of the table.

Hey, I would get +$9 with each play!  Easy win!

I think I'd get +$13. Which really is far too much, Pi is ~3.14 for most purposes, 3.1416 for precise work.

Did anyone else cringe at the "6" at the end there?

Yep.
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Re: Really bad card ideas
« Reply #2630 on: May 29, 2014, 02:50:16 pm »
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Re: Really bad card ideas
« Reply #2631 on: May 29, 2014, 02:50:54 pm »
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Pretty sure I can win every time just by naming 100 numbers......at no point does it say they have to be the ones at the beginning....
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Re: Really bad card ideas
« Reply #2632 on: May 29, 2014, 02:56:48 pm »
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Pretty sure I can win every time just by naming 100 numbers......at no point does it say they have to be the ones at the beginning....
Unfortunately there are only 10 digits in base 10 and I have no idea what comes after Z in bases higher than 36.
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Re: Really bad card ideas
« Reply #2633 on: May 29, 2014, 03:01:26 pm »
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Pretty sure I can win every time just by naming 100 numbers......at no point does it say they have to be the ones at the beginning....
Unfortunately there are only 10 digits in base 10 and I have no idea what comes after Z in bases higher than 36.
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Re: Really bad card ideas
« Reply #2634 on: May 29, 2014, 03:08:08 pm »
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Pi, action $3

Begin naming digits of pi until you name one incorrectly. For each correctly named digit, +$1. If you correctly name 100 digits, you win.

-$10 (to a minimum of $0)

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Okay. I'll name this one Bob. And this one is Simone.
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Re: Really bad card ideas
« Reply #2635 on: May 29, 2014, 03:41:41 pm »
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Pi, action $3

Begin naming digits of pi until you name one incorrectly. For each correctly named digit, +$1. If you correctly name 100 digits, you win.

-$10 (to a minimum of $0)

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Okay. I'll name this one Bob. And this one is Simone.
There's the Digit Before the Decimal. Then there's the Digit After the Decimal. Then there's That Third One. There's also That One After the Two, and That One I Don't Know.

Damn, I forgot the rest.
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Re: Really bad card ideas
« Reply #2636 on: May 29, 2014, 03:45:42 pm »
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Well you also don't have to name them in order.
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Re: Really bad card ideas
« Reply #2637 on: May 29, 2014, 04:06:30 pm »
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Pretty sure I can win every time just by naming 100 numbers......at no point does it say they have to be the ones at the beginning....

Unfortunately it is not yet proven that pi contains all sequences of digits.
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Re: Really bad card ideas
« Reply #2638 on: May 29, 2014, 04:33:07 pm »
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Pretty sure I can win every time just by naming 100 numbers......at no point does it say they have to be the ones at the beginning....

Unfortunately it is not yet proven that pi contains all sequences of digits.
Wait, have they proven that pi is truly irrational, or do we just assume it is?

If a decimal number never ends up repeating digits, then won't you be able to find any sequence of digits if you keep searching?
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Re: Really bad card ideas
« Reply #2639 on: May 29, 2014, 04:36:20 pm »
+1

Pretty sure I can win every time just by naming 100 numbers......at no point does it say they have to be the ones at the beginning....

Unfortunately it is not yet proven that pi contains all sequences of digits.
Wait, have they proven that pi is truly irrational, or do we just assume it is?

If a decimal number never ends up repeating digits, then won't you be able to find any sequence of digits if you keep searching?

It's proven that pi is irrational. However, that doesn't mean that it must consist of all sequences of digits. Look at the following number:

.12112111211112111112111111211111112111111112...

That number is irrational, yet it never contains a "3" anywhere.
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Re: Really bad card ideas
« Reply #2640 on: May 29, 2014, 04:40:11 pm »
+1

Pretty sure I can win every time just by naming 100 numbers......at no point does it say they have to be the ones at the beginning....

Unfortunately it is not yet proven that pi contains all sequences of digits.
Wait, have they proven that pi is truly irrational, or do we just assume it is?

If a decimal number never ends up repeating digits, then won't you be able to find any sequence of digits if you keep searching?

There are irrational numbers whose decimal expansions are nothing but 0s and 1s.  In one famous case, the spacing between the 1s just keeps growing each time.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liouville_number

More than you probably want to know, but that's how these things are.
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Re: Really bad card ideas
« Reply #2641 on: May 29, 2014, 04:41:00 pm »
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Ozle never claimed to need pi to contain every sequence.  Only infinite digits.  Which it does.

Edit: Okay, only for each digit (0-9) to appear 100 times.  I actually don't know if that's true.  But it likely is.

Edit Again: Okay I checked it does.
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Re: Really bad card ideas
« Reply #2642 on: May 29, 2014, 04:44:41 pm »
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Ozle never claimed to need pi to contain every sequence.  Only infinite digits.  Which it does.

Edit: Actually only 100 digits.

He claimed that he could pick any 100 numbers at random, which is still a lot stronger of a claim than saying that pi is irrational.  I don't know what the longest K is such that every K-digit string has been found in the expansion of pi so far... It would need to be much less than 100, because it would take close to 10^K known digits at the least...
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Re: Really bad card ideas
« Reply #2643 on: May 29, 2014, 04:45:43 pm »
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Ozle never claimed to need pi to contain every sequence.  Only infinite digits.  Which it does.

Edit: Actually only 100 digits.

He claimed that he could pick any 100 numbers at random, which is still a lot stronger of a claim than saying that pi is irrational.  I don't know what the longest K is such that every K-digit string has been found in the expansion of pi so far... It would need to be much less than 100, because it would take close to 10^K known digits at the least...

Card doesn't say the digits have to appear as a contiguous sequence.
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Re: Really bad card ideas
« Reply #2644 on: May 29, 2014, 04:46:29 pm »
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He could name "0" 100 times and be right.  There are 100 zeros. 
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« Reply #2645 on: May 29, 2014, 04:50:02 pm »
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He could name "0" 100 times and be right.  There are 100 zeros.

So "until you name one incorrectly" means until you feel like not saying whole numbers 0-9 anymore? :-/
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Re: Really bad card ideas
« Reply #2646 on: May 29, 2014, 04:55:20 pm »
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Pretty sure I can win every time just by naming 100 numbers......at no point does it say they have to be the ones at the beginning....

Unfortunately it is not yet proven that pi contains all sequences of digits.
Wait, have they proven that pi is truly irrational, or do we just assume it is?

If a decimal number never ends up repeating digits, then won't you be able to find any sequence of digits if you keep searching?

There are irrational numbers whose decimal expansions are nothing but 0s and 1s.  In one famous case, the spacing between the 1s just keeps growing each time.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liouville_number

More than you probably want to know, but that's how these things are.
Ah, that seems so obvious now. I must be too tired to think.
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Re: Really bad card ideas
« Reply #2647 on: May 29, 2014, 04:56:00 pm »
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He could name "0" 100 times and be right.  There are 100 zeros.

So "until you name one incorrectly" means until you feel like not saying whole numbers 0-9 anymore? :-/
Yeah. You have to be careful though; if you accidentally say the 101th number, then you won't win the game.
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Re: Really bad card ideas
« Reply #2648 on: May 29, 2014, 04:57:13 pm »
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He could name "0" 100 times and be right.  There are 100 zeros.

So "until you name one incorrectly" means until you feel like not saying whole numbers 0-9 anymore? :-/

That was kind of the implied joke from Ozle (with the addition from Theory).
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« Reply #2649 on: May 29, 2014, 05:03:00 pm »
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Pretty sure I can win every time just by naming 100 numbers......at no point does it say they have to be the ones at the beginning....

Unfortunately it is not yet proven that pi contains all sequences of digits.
Just wondering, are there numbers that have been proven to be normal? Is normal the right term here?

And although it has not been proven, it is considered exceedingly likely, yes? (not that you can use that for anything of course)
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