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[pacovf]

*If the lowest card cost in coins is zero, use a weighted arithmetic average, where the weights are the weights of the players owning that respective card, in Newtons.

The good news is that for arithmetic weighted averages, the actual unit of weight measurement cancels out and doesn't matter.

Unless I don't understand that clause, if I weight 100 kg and I am playing against my (hypothetical) 50 kg girlfriend, the weights do matter.

[Witherweaver]

*If the lowest card cost in coins is zero, use a weighted arithmetic average, where the weights are the weights of the players owning that respective card, in Newtons.

The good news is that for arithmetic weighted averages, the actual unit of weight measurement cancels out and doesn't matter.

Unless I don't understand that clause, if I weight 100 kg and I am playing against my (hypothetical) 50 kg girlfriend, the weights do matter.

Well, first of all, 100 kg is your mass, not your weight.

His point is that if you measure the weight in a different unit, it will cancel out of the weighted average:

X = sum(w_i x_i , i=1..n) / sum(w_i, i=1..n).

Changing units is just changing the weights by a constant factor, which factors out of the numerator and denominator.

[GendoIkari]

the passing from masq is positive utility. if it didn't have it, it'd be weaker. and 100 times better. that's how it should be. but it'd be weaker.

Perhaps, but "+2 cards. You may trash a card from your hand." is just so boring..

[GendoIkari]

the passing from masq is positive utility. if it didn't have it, it'd be weaker. and 100 times better. that's how it should be. but it'd be weaker.

Perhaps, but "+2 cards. You may trash a card from your hand." is just so boring..

Edge case puzzle! Find a situation where you'd rather have that version of Masq in your hand than a real Masq. I can think of a couple...

[pacovf]

*If the lowest card cost in coins is zero, use a weighted arithmetic average, where the weights are the weights of the players owning that respective card, in Newtons.

The good news is that for arithmetic weighted averages, the actual unit of weight measurement cancels out and doesn't matter.

Unless I don't understand that clause, if I weight 100 kg and I am playing against my (hypothetical) 50 kg girlfriend, the weights do matter.

Well, first of all, 100 kg is your mass, not your weight.

His point is that if you measure the weight in a different unit, it will cancel out of the weighted average:

X = sum(w_i x_i , i=1..n) / sum(w_i, i=1..n).

Changing units is just changing the weights by a constant factor, which factors out of the numerator and denominator.

Ah, I didn't notice that he mentioned Newtons at the end of his sentence, that makes more sense.

About the mass - weight thing, there is no difference in the end result if we assume all people are playing in the same room

[Awaclus]

the passing from masq is positive utility. if it didn't have it, it'd be weaker. and 100 times better. that's how it should be. but it'd be weaker.

Perhaps, but "+2 cards. You may trash a card from your hand." is just so boring..

Edge case puzzle! Find a situation where you'd rather have that version of Masq in your hand than a real Masq. I can think of a couple...

You are playing a 3-player game where you have 1 VP, the person to your right has 2 VP, the person to your left has no points at all and a Lighthouse in play and 5 Abandoned Mines in his hand (you know this because you've been tracking his deck and last turn he just played enough Hunting Parties to reveal his entire deck except for the last 5 cards that were the Abandoned Mines), your hand is a bunch of Ruined Villages and one Masq, two piles are empty and there is one Poor House left in the supply, and you have played a long Torturer chain. The person to your right couldn't gain any curses because if he did, he would have gotten a negative score and then you could have bought the Poor House (because he doesn't know that your hand is full of Ruined Villages), and that's why he discarded his entire hand. You don't want to play the original Masq because the person who has only Abandoned Mines would have to give one to the guy who wants to buy the last Poor House. Playing the simple Masq is fine, though.

Or maybe you just have a hand without any bad cards in it. You can use the simple Masq as a Moat, but with the original Masq you have to pass one and probably receive a bad card in return.

[Witherweaver]

*If the lowest card cost in coins is zero, use a weighted arithmetic average, where the weights are the weights of the players owning that respective card, in Newtons.

The good news is that for arithmetic weighted averages, the actual unit of weight measurement cancels out and doesn't matter.

Unless I don't understand that clause, if I weight 100 kg and I am playing against my (hypothetical) 50 kg girlfriend, the weights do matter.

Well, first of all, 100 kg is your mass, not your weight.

His point is that if you measure the weight in a different unit, it will cancel out of the weighted average:

X = sum(w_i x_i , i=1..n) / sum(w_i, i=1..n).

Changing units is just changing the weights by a constant factor, which factors out of the numerator and denominator.

Ah, I didn't notice that he mentioned Newtons at the end of his sentence, that makes more sense.

About the mass - weight thing, there is no difference in the end result if we assume all people are playing in the same room

But it's an issue if you're Skype-Dominioning with your buddies on the Moon. 

[sudgy]

the passing from masq is positive utility. if it didn't have it, it'd be weaker. and 100 times better. that's how it should be. but it'd be weaker.

Perhaps, but "+2 cards. You may trash a card from your hand." is just so boring..

Edge case puzzle! Find a situation where you'd rather have that version of Masq in your hand than a real Masq. I can think of a couple...

Your opponent has a curse and you don't.  Your deck would be the same, but his will be better.

[eHalcyon]

the passing from masq is positive utility. if it didn't have it, it'd be weaker. and 100 times better. that's how it should be. but it'd be weaker.

Perhaps, but "+2 cards. You may trash a card from your hand." is just so boring..

Edge case puzzle! Find a situation where you'd rather have that version of Masq in your hand than a real Masq. I can think of a couple...

Is this really a puzzle that needs edge cases?  You'd rather have the non-passing version any time your hand is full of good cards.

[GeoLib]

the passing from masq is positive utility. if it didn't have it, it'd be weaker. and 100 times better. that's how it should be. but it'd be weaker.

Perhaps, but "+2 cards. You may trash a card from your hand." is just so boring..

Edge case puzzle! Find a situation where you'd rather have that version of Masq in your hand than a real Masq. I can think of a couple...

Is this really a puzzle that needs edge cases?  You'd rather have the non-passing version any time your hand is full of good cards.

I started posting a reply and then stopped because I realized that it must have been sarcasm. It was sarcasm, right?

[liopoil]

I don't think it was. ehalc is right, that case isn't very edgy, it's quite common.

[Awaclus]

I don't think it was. ehalc is right, that case isn't very edgy, it's quite common.

I thought GeoLib was referring to Gendo's post, not eHalcyon's.

[GeoLib]

I don't think it was. ehalc is right, that case isn't very edgy, it's quite common.

I thought GeoLib was referring to Gendo's post, not eHalcyon's.

Yeah, I was. I realize now that was ambiguous.

[Dsell]

Hellscout

Action - $4

+1 Action

The cost of all cards is reduced to $0 until you play another card. Set aside your hand. Draw 4 cards, then put cards on top of your deck until there are no non-victory cards in your hand. Put the set aside cards in your hand. Trash this. Gain a card from the trash costing from $3 to $6. Put it in your hand unless you have drawn any victory cards this turn.
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The cost of this card cannot be reduced.

[Joseph2302]

[silverspawn]

that could be funny, except scout is not a bad card idea, it's just too weak. plus I think it has been done before. BAD POST! 

[silverspawn]

nooo don't upvote it

[Awaclus]

that could be funny, except scout is not a bad card idea, it's just too weak. plus I think it has been done before. BAD POST! 

Well, it is a bad card idea.

[pacovf]

Really Bad Card Idea
Types: Action
Cost: 1$
Trash a joke card from your hand. If you did, +10 VP; otherwise gain a scout joke from the trash.

[silverspawn]

that could be funny, except scout is not a bad card idea, it's just too weak. plus I think it has been done before. BAD POST! 

Well, it is a bad card idea.

it's not.

[Witherweaver]

They can't all be the best $4 ever.

[Awaclus]

that could be funny, except scout is not a bad card idea, it's just too weak. plus I think it has been done before. BAD POST! 

Well, it is a bad card idea.

it's not.

It is.

[silverspawn]

that could be funny, except scout is not a bad card idea, it's just too weak. plus I think it has been done before. BAD POST! 

Well, it is a bad card idea.

it's not.

It is.

it's not.

[Awaclus]

that could be funny, except scout is not a bad card idea, it's just too weak. plus I think it has been done before. BAD POST! 

Well, it is a bad card idea.

it's not.

It is.

it's not.

It is.

[pacovf]

Wabbit season!