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Re: New Promo at Origins...
« Reply #125 on: June 13, 2014, 08:12:57 am »
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There is no reason to Prince anything other than a Scheme whenever Scheme is on the board.

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Re: New Promo at Origins...
« Reply #126 on: June 13, 2014, 08:14:33 am »
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Well, obviously there are reasons, a card in your hand is vulnerable to attacks (Pillage, Minion); a set aside card is not.
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Re: New Promo at Origins...
« Reply #127 on: June 13, 2014, 08:35:30 am »
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You can use Prince on a duration card and there are edge-cases where it could be the play. It's not very effective though, you will play the duration card on your next turn and then Prince will lose it forever. But I mean, maybe you really wanted to save that duration card for next turn.

When you say "Prince will lose it forever", do you mean it'll be cleaned up and go back into your discard pile like normal (and thus stop being played by Prince that way), or do you mean it'll end up set aside and out of your deck forever (but still not being played by Prince)? The wording of Prince seems to suggest the latter—it tells you to set aside the Princed card when you discard it from play. So your Princed Caravan gets set aside when discarded from play, but since it wasn't discarded on the same turn you played it, it doesn't get played again and remains in set-aside-land forever.

It goes to the discard. What happens if you prince a Caravan is this:

Turn N: Prince-Caravan, both the Caravan and Prince are set aside.

Turn N+1: The set aside Caravan is played at the beginning of your turn. Because it's a duration, it won't be discarded from play at the end of this turn, hence Prince can't set it aside and by the parenthetical clause on the card will stop playing it, thus "losing it forever".

Turn N+2: You draw a card from the Caravan that's now totally disconnected from Prince, at the end of your turn it goes to the discard as usual.

Actually, the parenthesis says to stop playing it, not to stop setting it aside, and the setting aside (when played by Prince) is not conditional on being played, so I think Caravan should be set aside and lost forever too after being discarded at the end of turn N+2.
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Re: New Promo at Origins...
« Reply #128 on: June 13, 2014, 08:37:03 am »
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There is no reason to Prince anything other than a Scheme whenever Scheme is on the board.
why is sheme so great? 6cards, 2 actions and you can always topdeck one action card doesn't necessarily sound better than 8 cards 1 action

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Re: New Promo at Origins...
« Reply #129 on: June 13, 2014, 08:55:08 am »
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Barring discard attacks and trash for benefit or multi-Prince shenanigans, princing a Scheme is strictly better than princing a Smithy because you can always at least Scheme the Smithy and play it as your first action each turn, which is functionally equivalent to princing a Smithy, but you can also choose to play something else first (say, Fishing Village - Watchtower) or scheme another card this turn. Hence a princed Scheme gives you greater flexibility.

There are enough cases where you want to prince the Smithy anyway, though. E.g. if you've princed another card that you sometimes want to play after the Smithy, the already mentioned discard attacks and maybe some specific TfB spots.
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Re: New Promo at Origins...
« Reply #130 on: June 13, 2014, 09:12:52 am »
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Barring discard attacks and trash for benefit or multi-Prince shenanigans, princing a Scheme is strictly better than princing a Smithy because you can always at least Scheme the Smithy and play it as your first action each turn, which is functionally equivalent to princing a Smithy, but you can also choose to play something else first (say, Fishing Village - Watchtower) or scheme another card this turn.
oh yea, that's true. sheme it is.

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Re: New Promo at Origins...
« Reply #131 on: June 13, 2014, 09:44:30 am »
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There is no reason to Prince anything other than a Scheme whenever Scheme is on the board.

Minion.

Also, you may have a hand of Prince-Scheme-X, where X is the card that you really want to Prince.  If you Prince your Scheme, you may need to wait many turns before cycling back to X.
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Re: New Promo at Origins...
« Reply #132 on: June 13, 2014, 10:11:03 am »
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There is no reason to Prince anything other than a Scheme whenever Scheme is on the board.

Minion.

Also, you may have a hand of Prince-Scheme-X, where X is the card that you really want to Prince.  If you Prince your Scheme, you may need to wait many turns before cycling back to X.
No, you may have a hand of Prince-Scheme and have just to wait to hit your good card.
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Re: New Promo at Origins...
« Reply #133 on: June 13, 2014, 11:41:47 am »
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But if you Prince the Scheme you only get to pick one card to return every time (Envoy), so you're not guaranteed to draw Vault.
I meant another Scheme. There is no reason to Prince anything other than a Scheme whenever Scheme is on the board.

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EDIT: of course, there was another page.
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Re: New Promo at Origins...
« Reply #134 on: June 13, 2014, 11:49:05 am »
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LastFootnote: how long into playtesting did the "Prince of X" phrasing come about? Because that's seriously the best.
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Re: New Promo at Origins...
« Reply #135 on: June 13, 2014, 11:50:34 am »
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LastFootnote: how long into playtesting did the "Prince of X" phrasing come about? Because that's seriously the best.

When Donald was first emailing me about it, he mentioned "Prince of Pearl Divers". I immediately realized it was the best phrasing ever. I'm glad it's caught on here! :D
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Re: New Promo at Origins...
« Reply #136 on: June 13, 2014, 12:11:49 pm »
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Guess the other question is '[when] will Goko get this?"
Having no inside information whatsoever, at this point my first guess is never. As always I have to concede to the possibility that they've been rewriting the entire program from scratch and then everyone had to take maternity leave.
Wouldn't they need to ask for some kind of licence before using the Prince?
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Re: New Promo at Origins...
« Reply #137 on: June 13, 2014, 12:40:58 pm »
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When Donald was first emailing me about it, he mentioned "Prince of Pearl Divers". I immediately realized it was the best phrasing ever. I'm glad it's caught on here! :D

I'm trying to decide what the funniest "Prince of X" is. Too bad you can't have a Prince of Harems...
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Re: New Promo at Origins...
« Reply #138 on: June 13, 2014, 12:42:44 pm »
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I'm trying to decide what the funniest "Prince of X" is.



("Prince of Noble Brigands" doesn't have quite the same ring to it)
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Re: New Promo at Origins...
« Reply #139 on: June 13, 2014, 12:54:58 pm »
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Beggar Prince.

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Re: New Promo at Origins...
« Reply #140 on: June 13, 2014, 12:55:51 pm »
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Prince Jack of All Trades?
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Re: New Promo at Origins...
« Reply #141 on: June 13, 2014, 01:01:07 pm »
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Also I've been thinking of what the best cards for Prince and for a second was like "Ooo, Prince of Barons!" then realized the problem with that.
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Re: New Promo at Origins...
« Reply #142 on: June 13, 2014, 01:07:18 pm »
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Prince of Scouts  ;D
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Re: New Promo at Origins...
« Reply #143 on: June 13, 2014, 01:13:29 pm »
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Y'know, the Prince and the Peddler is very close to the Prince and the Pauper.
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Re: New Promo at Origins...
« Reply #144 on: June 13, 2014, 01:21:44 pm »
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You know, it is interesting that this card if it were made for an expansion it could only really go into Prosperity, but it doesn't really fit that set because it hardly has any action cards that are $4 or less.
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Re: New Promo at Origins...
« Reply #145 on: June 13, 2014, 01:39:00 pm »
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You know, it is interesting that this card if it were made for an expansion it could only really go into Prosperity, but it doesn't really fit that set because it hardly has any action cards that are $4 or less.
But among them are Monument and Bishop. Bishop seems like a good target for Prince by the time you get the Prince.
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Re: New Promo at Origins...
« Reply #146 on: June 13, 2014, 01:46:09 pm »
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I'm trying to decide what the funniest "Prince of X" is. Too bad you can't have a Prince of Harems...

Prince of Princesses
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Re: New Promo at Origins...
« Reply #147 on: June 13, 2014, 01:56:25 pm »
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From the FAQ:

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The set aside Action technically goes back and forth from being in play to being set aside each turn, but in practice it's easier to leave it sitting on the Prince and just announce resolving it each turn.

Interesting thing of note when you're playing in real life, the Action you set aside modifies Peddler's cost every turn (except the turn you set it aside), but Prince never does.  So I guess something to be careful about.

(I think.)
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Re: New Promo at Origins...
« Reply #148 on: June 13, 2014, 01:58:40 pm »
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"Prince of Schemes" sounds pretty cool, too.
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Re: New Promo at Origins...
« Reply #149 on: June 13, 2014, 02:12:21 pm »
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When Donald was first emailing me about it, he mentioned "Prince of Pearl Divers". I immediately realized it was the best phrasing ever. I'm glad it's caught on here! :D

I'm trying to decide what the funniest "Prince of X" is. Too bad you can't have a Prince of Harems...

Prince of Rats?

Prince Jack of All Trades?

I think I've been calling this Prince of all Trades.
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