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[Witherweaver]

Not too active today. Deadline is under 24 hours... I probably won't be around at deadline, but probably will be a few hours before.

Can we lynch arch now, please?

Nope.

[liopoil]

Not too active today. Deadline is under 24 hours... I probably won't be around at deadline, but probably will be a few hours before.

Can we lynch arch now, please?

Nope.

You still think it could be pps-lio? really?

[Witherweaver]

Is it better to catch scum in the lie? Or is it better to Vote: Yuma right now for lying?

This really sounds like you're pretty certain he's lying, but you kind of evaded the question when you were asked how you knew.  Is there something you know that we don't?

How did you think he could be caught?

Scum gets caught when their fakeclaim is disproven through PoE. That sounds like a harrowing process as opposed to jumping right to the jugular. His claim absolutely smacks of getting in an early claim for cred and WIFOM in case of a counter claim. His claim appears to be assembled from the already available information. Real claims tend to not be so thoroughly supported by already available information.

I've learned the old method of playing town by being completely forthright about who I think is scum is how scum win games through manipulating the information about where I am truly headed. Right now, nobody knows who I really suspect. My methods are not linear. A vote for a person is not, by necessity a realistic attempt for their lynch. ergo, my ability to take Voltaire to L-1 with near certainty he would flip scum appears to have come out of thin air.

My vote on e has it's reasons but they need not be public knowledge in order for them to be most effective.

If you think me scummy for that answer then you know where to place your vote.

Found that funny.

But also of interest, this was one of many of PPS's "I work in mysterious ways" messages where he promised his cryptic play style would pay off and we'd all be Watsoning him around.  I don't recall seeing the reveal, though.

[pingpongsam]

Voltaire D1

[pingpongsam]

Also, was it e or Yuma that lynched entirely too fast? My vote at that time was not meant to cause a lynch but to reveal scum intent. Did e replace Yuma? It all runs together, this game has been painfully long.

[Witherweaver]

Voltaire D1

What was the payoff exactly?

[pingpongsam]

Voltaire D1

What was the payoff exactly?

Dead scum. Look I'm not saying it went well from that point on but I was running with what worked initially. Also, at some point the goal was to get mislynch end because I was dice poor with the final message that scum would have preferred anyone else because I was the least attractive target. There was a whole line of thinking that dissipated by the end of D3.

[Witherweaver]

Voltaire D1

What was the payoff exactly?

Dead scum. Look I'm not saying it went well from that point on but I was running with what worked initially. Also, at some point the goal was to get mislynch end because I was dice poor with the final message that scum would have preferred anyone else because I was the least attractive target. There was a whole line of thinking that dissipated by the end of D3.

So the issue, which of course you must see, is that your super sneaky and utterly town Voltaire-hunting methods aren't really distinguishable by the rest of us from a scum partner jumping onto Voltaire to claim town cred later (like, you know, now).

[pingpongsam]

I find it hard to find fault with having correctly hit scum D1. If that creates an issue for you or anyone else they cannot exactly argue that there was a better move to have made. Lynching someone for being on the wagon of dead scum is a flimsy basis for a lynch. It would be truly humiliating for you to throw this game away for mislynching a townie because they were instrumental in lynching scum from the get go.

[Witherweaver]

I find it hard to find fault with having correctly hit scum D1. If that creates an issue for you or anyone else they cannot exactly argue that there was a better move to have made. Lynching someone for being on the wagon of dead scum is a flimsy basis for a lynch. It would be truly humiliating for you to throw this game away for mislynching a townie because they were instrumental in lynching scum from the get go.

So Archetype is town?

[pingpongsam]

I find it hard to find fault with having correctly hit scum D1. If that creates an issue for you or anyone else they cannot exactly argue that there was a better move to have made. Lynching someone for being on the wagon of dead scum is a flimsy basis for a lynch. It would be truly humiliating for you to throw this game away for mislynching a townie because they were instrumental in lynching scum from the get go.

So Archetype is town?

Only if you are scum.

[Witherweaver]

Exactly.  So want to try on a different argument?

[pingpongsam]

I didn't know I was arguing. What was my argument?

[Jimmmmm]

Vote Count 5.3

Beyond Awesome (1): Archetype
Archetype (3): liopoil, Hydrad, pingpongsam (L-1)

not voting (2): Beyond Awesome, Witherweaver

With 6 alive, it takes 4 to lynch.

Day 5 ends on August 9 at 2pm forum time.

Target: 25
Score: 16

[Archetype]

Yeah, on the other hand, Ash did tell us that PPS like the boldest or something scum player.  It would be pretty diabolical to come up with a fake claim and pretend to not understand it just to seem townie

It's certainly been done. Scum faking mistakes like that I mean.

He's done it before as scum in Time War.

[Archetype]

ww/BA: why would arch vote for me the way he just did if he is town?

I know you didn't say he was town, but here is a reason to suspect him more, I think.

I'll wait for Arch to come back.

I had to go. I decided that BA/WW were Town (looks like that's been confirmed) and so liopoil and PPS were scum. No reason to leave my vote on BA, and I had to go and didn't know when I'd get access again, so I switched to lio. But it looks like I didn't do it right...

So, Vote: liopoil

[Witherweaver]

I'm ready to gamble the game on my read.

Vote: Liopoil

You should all join me.

PPE: Oh, Arch is back.

[Witherweaver]

Guyz?

[Beyond Awesome]

Vote: Liopoil

Out of all the players, I am most confident he's scum.

[Witherweaver]

Whelp, PPS has game if it's him/ARch

[Witherweaver]

He's not on.

[Hydrad]

When does day end?

[Witherweaver]

Tomorrow at 2 or 3 PM

[Witherweaver]

Do you see a reason to wait?

[Hydrad]

Do you see a reason to wait?

I kinda like a arch lynch more but since I do think its a lio/arch team...

I just don't want to throw the game away.

Also even if we lynch town today we have a slight chance if the GR visits one of us and we can vig them and still win barely.