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[Witherweaver]

Just got back from euthanizing my 19 year old cat.

I don't care if we lynch lio or arch. To honor my word.

Vote: archetype

I'm sorry

[Jimmmmm]

Vote Count 5.2

liopoil (1): Witherweaver
Beyond Awesome (1): Archetype
Archetype (3): liopoil, Hydrad, pingpongsam (L-1)

not voting (1 2): Beyond Awesome, Witherweaver

amended to reflect Witherweaver's unvoting.

With 6 alive, it takes 4 to lynch.

Day 5 ends on August 9 at 2pm forum time.

Target: 25
Score: 16

[Witherweaver]

Huh.  So uh.. I feel a lot better about Lio than Arch.  No more voting yet.  Also announcing L-1 is good.

[Hydrad]

Huh.  So uh.. I feel a lot better about Lio than Arch.  No more voting yet.  Also announcing L-1 is good.

Well you and BA hold the power in the if he dies or not so there really won't be a lynch unless BA does it.

[Beyond Awesome]

Just got back from euthanizing my 19 year old cat.

I don't care if we lynch lio or arch. To honor my word.

Vote: archetype

That's horrible.

[Witherweaver]

Well now that we're confirmed town, I hope Faust eats his hat or whatever he said he would do.  Unless he said he would quit Mafia; I don't want that.  I should have made him give his word for hat eating. I probably also shouldn't have fought with him so much   I also should have gone PPS instead of Ash yesterday.  Would that put us in the same situation here if PPS ended up town?

Well, maybe not.. if PPS is town we probably would have just lynched Ash for being dice destroyer because VT claim.

And now that its confirmed I'm NOT the die destroyer.  everyone still think it's factional?

[Beyond Awesome]

So, Hydrad what makes you so confident that Arch is scum?

Just interactions and how things are playing out I guess. I would say I'm 90% sure arch is scum. Another thing that makes me believe its him is I think he has done the worst with roles out of all of us.

Honestly, I also feel Lio's rolls have been pretty bad as well. He can roll higher than 8, but hasn't the entire game, so there's that. Arch's rolls aren't all that amazing either though.

[Hydrad]

So, Hydrad what makes you so confident that Arch is scum?

Just interactions and how things are playing out I guess. I would say I'm 90% sure arch is scum. Another thing that makes me believe its him is I think he has done the worst with roles out of all of us.

Honestly, I also feel Lio's rolls have been pretty bad as well. He can roll higher than 8, but hasn't the entire game, so there's that. Arch's rolls aren't all that amazing either though.

The thing with arch is on day 2 both his rolls ended up hurting us and then was it today? that he rolled a one? That ones understandable I guess.

And now that its confirmed I'm NOT the die destroyer.  everyone still think it's factional?

I think it might be factional now. Just incase scum got 2 town powers Jimmm might of given them that ability so that they can still hurt us.

And although I like the idea of your PPS theory I really don't think its right. If that theory was correct would PPS have made up that many changes in how his ability works? I feel like PPS would have had a certain lie for his power if he wanted to cover it up. Instead of doing the most awkward claim I've ever seen.

[Witherweaver]

Yeah, on the other hand, Ash did tell us that PPS like the boldest or something scum player.  It would be pretty diabolical to come up with a fake claim and pretend to not understand it just to seem townie.

Also, *everyone's * flavor name makes sense.  How does his power really Swindle?  Because he gives you something (for free) but it's less than you expected?  It's still something.. not like you paid for thoae d8s.  Unless someone did, in d12s.

Well I'm not totally sold in it, but I have no other explanation.

[Witherweaver]

I mean as an alternative to factional.

[Witherweaver]

Actually, Ichi was Priest.. priest rerolled someone.. not sure how that fits anything.  A non dominion reference?

[liopoil]

Yeah, on the other hand, Ash did tell us that PPS like the boldest or something scum player.  It would be pretty diabolical to come up with a fake claim and pretend to not understand it just to seem townie

It's certainly been done. Scum faking mistakes like that I mean.

[liopoil]

Well now that we're confirmed town, I hope Faust eats his hat or whatever he said he would do.  Unless he said he would quit Mafia; I don't want that.  I should have made him give his word for hat eating. I probably also shouldn't have fought with him so much   I also should have gone PPS instead of Ash yesterday.  Would that put us in the same situation here if PPS ended up town?

Well, maybe not.. if PPS is town we probably would have just lynched Ash for being dice destroyer because VT claim.

And now that its confirmed I'm NOT the die destroyer.  everyone still think it's factional?

Yes, I do think it's factional. Only other explanation would be that it's pps with weird fakeclaim? Well, pps is conf!scum now, so certainly possible, but it doesn't really matter and I still think that factional is just simpler.

Also, good to know that you guys aren't evil.

[liopoil]

So, Hydrad what makes you so confident that Arch is scum?

Just interactions and how things are playing out I guess. I would say I'm 90% sure arch is scum. Another thing that makes me believe its him is I think he has done the worst with roles out of all of us.

Honestly, I also feel Lio's rolls have been pretty bad as well. He can roll higher than 8, but hasn't the entire game, so there's that. Arch's rolls aren't all that amazing either though.

Dude, bad rolls happen. And I may or may not have rolled higher than 8 on D2. (I didn't though ). And Hydrad hasn't rolled above a 7, and he's town. And I mean, my dice have gone to a good purpose, so I probably have been rolling fewer dice than most people.

[liopoil]

Vote Count 5.2

liopoil (1): Witherweaver
Beyond Awesome (1): Archetype
Archetype (3): liopoil, Hydrad, pingpongsam (L-1)

not voting (1): Beyond Awesome

With 6 alive, it takes 4 to lynch.

Day 5 ends on August 9 at 2pm forum time.

Target: 25
Score: 16

This vote count is wrong, IIRC arch is voting for me and ww is not voting.

[liopoil]

So, given that BA and ww are cleared now, it is confirmed that the scum are in {arch, pps, lio}. So I know the scumteam, and the other two will pretend that they know the scumteam. This means that any one of us three will gladly vote for either of the other two. So it is up to our 3 ICs to decide which of us to lynch, 2 of them need to agree. Or we can no lynch, and it gets different...

Also, the ICs all have a QT together tonight, so assuming we don't lynch me they can discuss who the last scum is at night and the last words of whoever dies will live on.

So what happens if we no lynch? An IC dies, but they still get to tell us who/what they think is scum. Some other stuff might happen with the NPCs. Then tomorrow, the 3 suspects are still alive, and two of the ICs. The suspects will still be willing to vote for either of the others... but interestingly enough, either IC can decide what happens. An IC votes for one of the suspects, the other two suspects will hammer. If one of the suspects doesn't, the scumteam is confirmed and the other IC can hammer. But this would be a weird scenario, with either IC being able to decide who gets lynched. I think it is better that we don't go there then - this council of 3 ICs is better for us. We have 30 hours to lynch.

So, that's that I guess. Not sure what else there is to say. Anything that the ICs want me to address?

[liopoil]

ww/BA: why would arch vote for me the way he just did if he is town?

I know you didn't say he was town, but here is a reason to suspect him more, I think.

[pingpongsam]

Lio did a decent job of bussing early so tomorrow he can argue that I had to bus to survive the day and that were I the town betwixt us I would have been earlier on the wagon.

Guys, it doesn't matter if we lynch arch or lio today so long as we lynch the other tomorrow. I expect hydrad to be the NK since he is already in this mindset.

[Witherweaver]

ww/BA: why would arch vote for me the way he just did if he is town?

I know you didn't say he was town, but here is a reason to suspect him more, I think.

I'll wait for Arch to come back.

[Witherweaver]

You guys both know that the night kill is going to be a bottomless pit of WIFOM and will provide no useful analysis.

[liopoil]

You guys both know that the night kill is going to be a bottomless pit of WIFOM and will provide no useful analysis.

Well, maybe.

[liopoil]

Lio did a decent job of bussing early so tomorrow he can argue that I had to bus to survive the day and that were I the town betwixt us I would have been earlier on the wagon.

Guys, it doesn't matter if we lynch arch or lio today so long as we lynch the other tomorrow. I expect hydrad to be the NK since he is already in this mindset.

pps did an awful job of bussing today so he's making this point today in an attempt to make up for it ahead of time.

Guys, it doesn't matter if we lynch arch or pps today so long as we lynch the other tomorrow. I expect... well, no, scum will do whatever they see fit and I have no idea what this will be. pps might though, because he's scum.

[liopoil]

ww/BA: why would arch vote for me the way he just did if he is town?

I know you didn't say he was town, but here is a reason to suspect him more, I think.

I'll wait for Arch to come back.

good call.

You guys both know that the night kill is going to be a bottomless pit of WIFOM and will provide no useful analysis.

Well, maybe.

What I mean by this:

Let's say ic1 thinks it's Suspect1, and ic2 thinks it's Suspect2, and these statements are very well known to everyone. If ic1 dies I would suspect Suspect1 more, and the same with ic2/Suspect2. This would just be a slight suspicion though, because of wifom of course. But it doesn't just go to nothing, it is just weakened.

[Witherweaver]

So, Hydrad what makes you so confident that Arch is scum?

Just interactions and how things are playing out I guess. I would say I'm 90% sure arch is scum. Another thing that makes me believe its him is I think he has done the worst with roles out of all of us.

Honestly, I also feel Lio's rolls have been pretty bad as well. He can roll higher than 8, but hasn't the entire game, so there's that. Arch's rolls aren't all that amazing either though.

The thing with arch is on day 2 both his rolls ended up hurting us and then was it today? that he rolled a one? That ones understandable I guess.

And now that its confirmed I'm NOT the die destroyer.  everyone still think it's factional?

I think it might be factional now. Just incase scum got 2 town powers Jimmm might of given them that ability so that they can still hurt us.

And although I like the idea of your PPS theory I really don't think its right. If that theory was correct would PPS have made up that many changes in how his ability works? I feel like PPS would have had a certain lie for his power if he wanted to cover it up. Instead of doing the most awkward claim I've ever seen.

Oh I should also point out, in my scenario PPS isn't really lying; he actually does give out dice, like he said.  There's just another part that he didn't say. 

[liopoil]

Not too active today. Deadline is under 24 hours... I probably won't be around at deadline, but probably will be a few hours before.

Can we lynch arch now, please?