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Re: RMM16: Dice Mafia (Day 5)
« Reply #4125 on: July 30, 2014, 09:53:10 pm »

be careful. if pps is not scum they can quick hammer.
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Re: RMM16: Dice Mafia (Day 5)
« Reply #4126 on: July 30, 2014, 10:10:02 pm »

seriously guys, stop voting.
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Re: RMM16: Dice Mafia (Day 5)
« Reply #4127 on: July 30, 2014, 10:37:41 pm »

jimmm said the town word people were chosen after night kill.  I asked Iin QT. it should not be Faust.
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Re: RMM16: Dice Mafia (Day 5)
« Reply #4128 on: July 30, 2014, 10:52:08 pm »

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Re: RMM16: Dice Mafia (Day 5)
« Reply #4129 on: July 30, 2014, 10:54:02 pm »

jimmm said the town word people were chosen after night kill.  I asked Iin QT. it should not be Faust.

WW is correct. Hydrad can confirm. So, there should be a town person that knows the word, but hasn't said it yet for whatever reason.
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Re: RMM16: Dice Mafia (Day 5)
« Reply #4130 on: July 30, 2014, 10:57:16 pm »

Surprise I know the word. Sorry for delaying but I was hoping scum would say it for some cred or something so I would know who has it. I really feel like we got unlucky as this will make me a IC when I feel like everyone thought I was pretty much an IC already.

Anyways I don't think there is much point in keeping the word a secret but prepare to be underwhelmed.

loyalty

That's all I got so does anyone have ideas on how this can help?
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Re: RMM16: Dice Mafia (Day 5)
« Reply #4131 on: July 30, 2014, 11:02:45 pm »

Also this may be to late but I think it might be a ww/BA team after pps claim is verified unless it's a factional power ww is the only one that hasn't really been verified. Plus I feel like he really should of expected Faust to die.

I will say it feels like BA and ww interactions are town but I feel like ww choices are the closest to scum we have.
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Re: RMM16: Dice Mafia (Day 5)
« Reply #4132 on: July 30, 2014, 11:05:31 pm »

Well, Hydrad is an IC (unless someone counterclaims). I was really hoping one of BA/WW was staying quiet about knowing the word since that would clear both of them.

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Re: RMM16: Dice Mafia (Day 5)
« Reply #4133 on: July 30, 2014, 11:08:02 pm »

I did not get the word.

hydrad. I promise you. it's not me. 
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Re: RMM16: Dice Mafia (Day 5)
« Reply #4134 on: July 30, 2014, 11:09:06 pm »

i was  hoping me or BA would get as well. 
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Re: RMM16: Dice Mafia (Day 5)
« Reply #4135 on: July 30, 2014, 11:12:57 pm »

I think it has to be PPS and Lio.
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Re: RMM16: Dice Mafia (Day 5)
« Reply #4136 on: July 30, 2014, 11:13:25 pm »

Also arch what made you give me the dice vendor?
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Re: RMM16: Dice Mafia (Day 5)
« Reply #4137 on: July 30, 2014, 11:14:30 pm »

hydras why didn't you mention dice vendor in QT?
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Re: RMM16: Dice Mafia (Day 5)
« Reply #4138 on: July 30, 2014, 11:18:14 pm »

hydras why didn't you mention dice vendor in QT?

Incase you were scum I didn't want to give you more info I guess. I don't know what the info would do if you were town as I don't think there is any powers or something that would affect it. But if your scum I figure I should keep you away from as much info as possible.
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Re: RMM16: Dice Mafia (Day 5)
« Reply #4139 on: July 30, 2014, 11:20:42 pm »

okay. I guess it's moot now that you're confirmed.

I'm ready to vote Lio. Or PPS.  I don't think its Arch but I have doubts.

I know you have to consider me, but I think its clear from all the info you have that BA and I could not have set this up.  do you think it can be Arch?
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Re: RMM16: Dice Mafia (Day 5)
« Reply #4140 on: July 30, 2014, 11:26:59 pm »

Alright, so let's look at the scenarios:

Because...

DUM DUM DUM

Conspiracy theory:

The team is you/PPS. One of you has the ability to give out dice, the other has the ability to destroy dice.  PPS's is obviously the fake one.  He had to come up with a reason to almost never use it, so he found a way for it to be anti-town.  Note in particular how quick PPS was to jump on BA's ability confirming his own, where really that is not possible.

You would expect to maybe have to prove the fake claim once, and in that case you two can coordinate to make it believable, since there really *IS* a role that gives dice.  So come to tonight.  I receive dice, allegedly from PPS. I'm also conveniently attacked by an Orc that messes with my rolls somehow, so I'm unable to confirm if I'm alternating between d8 rolls and d12 rolls.  You claim to target BA, and I know he must be telling the truth when he say he received none.  The only possibility is that the "die destroyer" random d6 exactly happened to match the d12 result for number of dice received.  This I consider very unlikely.  I would work out the probability, but it's moot as Archetype claimed to have lost dice.

So why claim you targeted BA instead of Faust?  Well, you killed Faust, and you would know that claiming to give him dice would be super suspect.  So choose one of the masons.  There's already a "WW/BA scum plot" theory floating around, so if it falls back to "someone is lying" people may side against us.  Why choose Archetype to get hit?  Well, now you have a three-way lying circle: You, Archetype, BA.  Anyone that can't convince themselves that BA and myself are scum may have an easier time convincing themselves that Archetype is. 

Note in particular all the side comments of "oh, well, unless it really is WW/BA".
I like this is really, really plausible. A scumteam of liopoil/dice destroyer makes the most sense because of the mirrored actions. Liopoil is trying to push that it's a factional power, which I don't think it is. I think he's trying to cover up PPS's role. WW has a good point about how liopoil was trying to soft bus PPS the day before.

Second possible scenario. You actually did give dice to WW. Arch and Lio are partners, and dice destroying is factional. Lio knows you were telling the truth about your role, so decides to not give anyone else dice to set you up as the mislynch and claims to have given me dice. Arch then claims he was stolen from for WIFOM reasons.
Second to least likely scenario. Not barring the fact that I'm Town, but I really do not think dice destroying is factional.

third scenario: arch and pps are partners, I gave to BA and they got destroyed them. Or I was bus driven. Or roleblocked. Or whatever happened.
I can't even call this a scenario. This is too farfetched.

fourth scenario: ww and BA are partners, I gave to BA, he lied.
I am a bit more apprehensive about BA and WW after ashersky flipped Town. Ash also asked that we reconsider them when he flips. So, not as certain that WW/BA are Town, but I think the more likely scenario is that PPS/liopoil are scum. I'll be have no access for the next 3 days, and then from Monday to Friday the next week. I'll be sure to roll some dice and plop a vote down before I leave.

PPE: 5
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Re: RMM16: Dice Mafia (Day 5)
« Reply #4141 on: July 30, 2014, 11:27:51 pm »

Also, no one has been able to provide any explanation at all as why we would be given psuedonyms for the QT if we were not Masons.  We didn't use them last night. 

The PPS/Lio theory is the best explanation I have for everything that has happened.

Archetype: Why didn't you play dice yet?

PPE: Arch
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Re: RMM16: Dice Mafia (Day 5)
« Reply #4142 on: July 30, 2014, 11:29:50 pm »

Also, no one has been able to provide any explanation at all as why we would be given psuedonyms for the QT if we were not Masons.  We didn't use them last night. 

The PPS/Lio theory is the best explanation I have for everything that has happened.

Archetype: Why didn't you play dice yet?

PPE: Arch
I'll put in my order to roll now. Depending on when Jimmmmm gets on/if I have time in the morning, I may not have time to actually play one until Sunday or Saturday afternoon.
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Re: RMM16: Dice Mafia (Day 5)
« Reply #4143 on: July 30, 2014, 11:31:47 pm »

Well, I want to vote PPS to test Arch's townieness, but it blows the game if it's Arch/Lio.

Can anyone convince me that isn't possible?
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Re: RMM16: Dice Mafia (Day 5)
« Reply #4144 on: July 30, 2014, 11:38:21 pm »

Well, I want to vote PPS to test Arch's townieness, but it blows the game if it's Arch/Lio.

Can anyone convince me that isn't possible?

I don't think it's worth the risk. We should think about this more I think
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Re: RMM16: Dice Mafia (Day 5)
« Reply #4145 on: July 30, 2014, 11:39:08 pm »

Well screw it.  It's extremely anti-town to vote for yourself at LyLo.

Vote: PPS

This is L-1.
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Re: RMM16: Dice Mafia (Day 5)
« Reply #4146 on: July 30, 2014, 11:39:25 pm »

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Re: RMM16: Dice Mafia (Day 5)
« Reply #4147 on: July 30, 2014, 11:40:16 pm »

Okay, what are your thoughts?
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Re: RMM16: Dice Mafia (Day 5)
« Reply #4148 on: July 30, 2014, 11:40:50 pm »

But a town player does not vote for himself here. 
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Re: RMM16: Dice Mafia (Day 5)
« Reply #4149 on: July 30, 2014, 11:42:27 pm »

But a town player does not vote for himself here.

I'm still new but why would scum either. Also I think BA unvoted
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