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[Witherweaver]

I don't see a reason to not claim what we voted for.  Scum was already given the value of n.

Point taken. I already claimed I voted 1 and explained why.

I voted for 1 as well.

[liopoil]

I sent dice to Witherweaver and I'd like to hear how many he received.

I vote for 1 because any more would have created the same scenario we had yesterday. If BA/WW know the word and 1 other guy knows the word then we know that pair is scum.

How is 3 different from 1?

[Beyond Awesome]

I also voted for 1

[Beyond Awesome]

I sent dice to Witherweaver and I'd like to hear how many he received.

I vote for 1 because any more would have created the same scenario we had yesterday. If BA/WW know the word and 1 other guy knows the word then we know that pair is scum.

How is 3 different from 1?

less people know the word. People can claim they don't know and lie and get away with it if 3 was chosen.

[liopoil]

I sent dice to Witherweaver and I'd like to hear how many he received.

I vote for 1 because any more would have created the same scenario we had yesterday. If BA/WW know the word and 1 other guy knows the word then we know that pair is scum.

How is 3 different from 1?

less people know the word. People can claim they don't know and lie and get away with it if 3 was chosen.

Then 4 people have claimed. Then town knows there is one scum in the group of 4, and one scum in the 2 that didn't claim to have the word. This is the same as if 1 is chosen and a scum claims to have gotten it.

[Witherweaver]

I sent dice to Witherweaver and I'd like to hear how many he received.

I vote for 1 because any more would have created the same scenario we had yesterday. If BA/WW know the word and 1 other guy knows the word then we know that pair is scum.

How is 3 different from 1?

less people know the word. People can claim they don't know and lie and get away with it if 3 was chosen.

No one would lie.. town has no reason to lie, and scum is told the word.

[liopoil]

I sent dice to Witherweaver and I'd like to hear how many he received.

I vote for 1 because any more would have created the same scenario we had yesterday. If BA/WW know the word and 1 other guy knows the word then we know that pair is scum.

How is 3 different from 1?

less people know the word. People can claim they don't know and lie and get away with it if 3 was chosen.

No one would lie.. town has no reason to lie, and scum is told the word.

scum would lie, unless they want 3 ICs...

[Witherweaver]

Oh, you mean scum can not claim the word.. Then it just shifts from one group to the other (k to N-k).  What Lio said, I think.

[Witherweaver]

I sent dice to Witherweaver and I'd like to hear how many he received.

I vote for 1 because any more would have created the same scenario we had yesterday. If BA/WW know the word and 1 other guy knows the word then we know that pair is scum.

How is 3 different from 1?

less people know the word. People can claim they don't know and lie and get away with it if 3 was chosen.

No one would lie.. town has no reason to lie, and scum is told the word.

scum would lie, unless they want 3 ICs...

Right I misunderstood what he said.

[Beyond Awesome]

Can anyone who was stolen tonight please claim? Thanks.

[liopoil]

Can anyone who was stolen tonight please claim? Thanks.

Yeah, that.

[pingpongsam]

I voted 1 because it is the only way to check the WW/BA claim. If we have 5 people who know the word it doesn't out WW/BA. If only 3 people know the word then WW/BA is busted. Really the clue is an awful reward because it just generates more WIFOM because scum gets to choose whether or not they even want to claim knowledge of it. I believe a correction to the reward would be a requirement that scum has to explicitly claim the word in the game thread.

[Archetype]

Hi.

I voted for 3. My thinking was that it would leave less spots for scum to fakeclaim, but I didn't understand the reward super well anyway. Should I say whether or not I was told the word? Asking mainly Hydrad, here.

I was not visited by any NPCs, but I had some dice stolen. Don't know if I should claim that either.

[pingpongsam]

Somehow I don't think the scum rewards are as useless to scum as the town rewards have proven to be for town. Defeating the monsters is just a means of not getting punished with the scum rewards.

[liopoil]

I had some dice stolen.

lies!

Yes, it's an arch/pps scumteam. Or if this is true I guess it's BA/ww, but that doesn't make as much sense.

[Beyond Awesome]

Hi.

I voted for 3. My thinking was that it would leave less spots for scum to fakeclaim, but I didn't understand the reward super well anyway. Should I say whether or not I was told the word? Asking mainly Hydrad, here.

I was not visited by any NPCs, but I had some dice stolen. Don't know if I should claim that either.

I am confused by your sentence where you say if you know the word or not and are waiting for Hydrad to chime in.

Anyway, if you still have enough dice, I think you and lio should roll next. We need 11 to defeat the monster.

[Witherweaver]

I had some dice stolen.

lies!

Yes, it's an arch/pps scumteam. Or if this is true I guess it's BA/ww, but that doesn't make as much sense.

Well, or you're lying~!

[Beyond Awesome]

I had some dice stolen.

lies!

Yes, it's an arch/pps scumteam. Or if this is true I guess it's BA/ww, but that doesn't make as much sense.

Well, or you're lying~!

Or, they are both lying.

[liopoil]

I had some dice stolen.

lies!

Yes, it's an arch/pps scumteam. Or if this is true I guess it's BA/ww, but that doesn't make as much sense.

Well, or you're lying~!

Or, they are both lying.

Why would I lie? Sure, so that I could say that, but WIFOM.

[Archetype]

I had some dice stolen.

lies!

Yes, it's an arch/pps scumteam. Or if this is true I guess it's BA/ww, but that doesn't make as much sense.

Why would you think I was lying?

Hi.

I voted for 3. My thinking was that it would leave less spots for scum to fakeclaim, but I didn't understand the reward super well anyway. Should I say whether or not I was told the word? Asking mainly Hydrad, here.

I was not visited by any NPCs, but I had some dice stolen. Don't know if I should claim that either.

I am confused by your sentence where you say if you know the word or not and are waiting for Hydrad to chime in.

Anyway, if you still have enough dice, I think you and lio should roll next. We need 11 to defeat the monster.

Hydrad's my top Town read. I was waiting for him to let me know if it's OK that I claim whether or not I knew the word. But thinking about it more, it doesn't matter if I wait. I do not know the word.


Also, I sent the Dice Vendor to Hydrad and the Mentalist to faust. I asked Jimmmmm what would happen if he was holding the Mentalist and died, but he said he couldn't tell me.

[Witherweaver]

I had some dice stolen.

lies!

Yes, it's an arch/pps scumteam. Or if this is true I guess it's BA/ww, but that doesn't make as much sense.

Well, or you're lying~!

Or, they are both lying.

Why would I lie? Sure, so that I could say that, but WIFOM.

Because...

DUM DUM DUM

Conspiracy theory:

The team is you/PPS. One of you has the ability to give out dice, the other has the ability to destroy dice.  PPS's is obviously the fake one.  He had to come up with a reason to almost never use it, so he found a way for it to be anti-town.  Note in particular how quick PPS was to jump on BA's ability confirming his own, where really that is not possible.

You would expect to maybe have to prove the fake claim once, and in that case you two can coordinate to make it believable, since there really *IS* a role that gives dice.  So come to tonight.  I receive dice, allegedly from PPS. I'm also conveniently attacked by an Orc that messes with my rolls somehow, so I'm unable to confirm if I'm alternating between d8 rolls and d12 rolls.  You claim to target BA, and I know he must be telling the truth when he say he received none.  The only possibility is that the "die destroyer" random d6 exactly happened to match the d12 result for number of dice received.  This I consider very unlikely.  I would work out the probability, but it's moot as Archetype claimed to have lost dice.

So why claim you targeted BA instead of Faust?  Well, you killed Faust, and you would know that claiming to give him dice would be super suspect.  So choose one of the masons.  There's already a "WW/BA scum plot" theory floating around, so if it falls back to "someone is lying" people may side against us.  Why choose Archetype to get hit?  Well, now you have a three-way lying circle: You, Archetype, BA.  Anyone that can't convince themselves that BA and myself are scum may have an easier time convincing themselves that Archetype is. 

Note in particular all the side comments of "oh, well, unless it really is WW/BA".

[pingpongsam]

Jesus, we're back to PPS must be scum to explain wtf is going on.

[Witherweaver]

Jesus, we're back to PPS must be scum to explain wtf is going on.

Paint me the other Lio/X picture.

[Witherweaver]

I mean, also Lio's entire "Okay I'll lynch Ash, but are you SURE you don't want to lynch PPS?  I mean.. we can lynch PPS.  Anyone for PPS?" thing.

[Hydrad]

Ok sorry for not posting earlier. I voted for 1 also so unless someone is lying only one town has the clue.

I think if you know the clue you should say you have received it. You don't have to say what the clue is yet but I don't think scum is going to say it first. They probably won't even speak up that they know the clue so we get a free IC