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[Witherweaver]

Also, Faust being scum would explain why did not find PPS using all of his dice yesterday to be scummy. I mean, seriously, what is not scummy about rolling six dice in one day which is your entire supply just after someone gave you all those dice?

We talked about this.  Rolling 6 is probably better than rolling none.  Recall it costs dice to store a die, and to play a stored die, but he can still do this with no dice.  So rolling 4 and storing and playing one tomorrow is the same as rolling 6.

[Witherweaver]

Keep in mind Faust's thief ability is not confirmed.  The first day he got it, I was the only one that lost dice.  He claimed to steal from me and he claimed to give you more dice than you received, so that the dice destroyer must have targeted you.  The second day he claimed to steal from PPS, who had zero dice anyway.

WW, Hydrad was stolen from yesterday and again today. Oh wait, we don't know if Hydrad was stolen from yesterday because Hydrad had 7 dice, but Faust claimed to have given him 5. You are correct, Faust is not confirmed.

Sorry, it was Hydrad, not you.

[Beyond Awesome]

Keep in mind Faust's thief ability is not confirmed.  The first day he got it, I was the only one that lost dice.  He claimed to steal from me and he claimed to give you more dice than you received, so that the dice destroyer must have targeted you.  The second day he claimed to steal from PPS, who had zero dice anyway.

WW, Hydrad was stolen from yesterday and again today. Oh wait, we don't know if Hydrad was stolen from yesterday because Hydrad had 7 dice, but Faust claimed to have given him 5. You are correct, Faust is not confirmed.

Sorry I meant to say Hydrad got 5 dice yesterday, but Faust claimed to have given him 7.

[Beyond Awesome]

You know at this time, I think everyone should claim how many dice they got from Faust yesterday.

I got 5

Hydrad got (7)5

PPS 6

[liopoil]

I got 6

[Archetype]

I got 5

[Witherweaver]

I got none

[faust]

Faust, you really don't think PPS sounds scummy?

Yes.

[faust]

Oh man, I was under the assumption it was proven that Hydrad was stolen from yesterday. I forgot about all of that. Still, it is likely we should know if Faust is scum or not tomorrow, especially if he claims to have stolen from someone who died. Or, maybe he will just claim to not his use his power at all. That is if he is the dice destroyer.

How is that argument fine when appield to me, but not when applied to PPS?

[faust]

There were 42 dice in total. I kept three. If anyone is interested, I will post the dice distribution here.

[Witherweaver]

Oh man, I was under the assumption it was proven that Hydrad was stolen from yesterday. I forgot about all of that. Still, it is likely we should know if Faust is scum or not tomorrow, especially if he claims to have stolen from someone who died. Or, maybe he will just claim to not his use his power at all. That is if he is the dice destroyer.

How is that argument fine when appield to me, but not when applied to PPS?

When was it not fine when applied to PPS?  It's more or less what I've been saying.  Well, except the conclusion isn't that said person is scum, but rather that we don't have any more information towards verifying claim and not any closer to knowing whether said person is scum or not.

[faust]

So let me ask this.  Hypothetically, if BA and myself are IC's, is no lynch still the right scenario?  (This isn't an argument, it's a real question.  I mean, would you be coming to the same conclusion on strategy if you 100% believed me and BA right off the bat.)

I'm too tired of all this to respond in detail to your niche little defense (you haven't convinced me, surprise). This is a question I can answer though. Yes, I think no lynch would be even better then. Either we can confirm PPS' and my role, and scum kills one of you, or we can't, and scum kills one of our suspects. Win-win. Once PPS and I are confirmed, ash is the obvious lynch, and we don't run into any danger surrounding lovedness and other lynchproofness.

[Witherweaver]

So let me ask this.  Hypothetically, if BA and myself are IC's, is no lynch still the right scenario?  (This isn't an argument, it's a real question.  I mean, would you be coming to the same conclusion on strategy if you 100% believed me and BA right off the bat.)

I'm too tired of all this to respond in detail to your niche little defense (you haven't convinced me, surprise). This is a question I can answer though. Yes, I think no lynch would be even better then. Either we can confirm PPS' and my role, and scum kills one of you, or we can't, and scum kills one of our suspects. Win-win. Once PPS and I are confirmed, ash is the obvious lynch, and we don't run into any danger surrounding lovedness and other lynchproofness.

I don't follow this.

[Witherweaver]

Oh yeah, also increasingly worrisome for me is that the three logical lynch candidates for today (Faust, Ash, PPS) are the only ones arguing the absurd case that BA and I are scum, and two of those are the big no-lynch proponents. 

[faust]

So let me ask this.  Hypothetically, if BA and myself are IC's, is no lynch still the right scenario?  (This isn't an argument, it's a real question.  I mean, would you be coming to the same conclusion on strategy if you 100% believed me and BA right off the bat.)

I'm too tired of all this to respond in detail to your niche little defense (you haven't convinced me, surprise). This is a question I can answer though. Yes, I think no lynch would be even better then. Either we can confirm PPS' and my role, and scum kills one of you, or we can't, and scum kills one of our suspects. Win-win. Once PPS and I are confirmed, ash is the obvious lynch, and we don't run into any danger surrounding lovedness and other lynchproofness.

I don't follow this.

Say PPS targets ash, lio targets PPS (if PPS is telling the truth, PPS now has only d8's), BA checks PPS. PPS confirmed (by ash and BA). I check ash with the Mentalist, and I target someone.

I see that my confirmation get more problematic as scum could just choose not to destroy dice, hm. I guess you have to believe me. But if things go well, scum has to kill me anyway, because otherwise I produce another IC.

[faust]

Oh yeah, also increasingly worrisome for me is that the three logical lynch candidates for today (Faust, Ash, PPS) are the only ones arguing the absurd case that BA and I are scum, and two of those are the big no-lynch proponents.

So what, we're all three scum?

[faust]

Oh yeah, also increasingly worrisome for me is that the three logical lynch candidates for today (Faust, Ash, PPS) are the only ones arguing the absurd case that BA and I are scum, and two of those are the big no-lynch proponents.

So what, we're all three scum?

All this proves is that it's possible for town to think you're scum.

[Witherweaver]

So let me ask this.  Hypothetically, if BA and myself are IC's, is no lynch still the right scenario?  (This isn't an argument, it's a real question.  I mean, would you be coming to the same conclusion on strategy if you 100% believed me and BA right off the bat.)

I'm too tired of all this to respond in detail to your niche little defense (you haven't convinced me, surprise). This is a question I can answer though. Yes, I think no lynch would be even better then. Either we can confirm PPS' and my role, and scum kills one of you, or we can't, and scum kills one of our suspects. Win-win. Once PPS and I are confirmed, ash is the obvious lynch, and we don't run into any danger surrounding lovedness and other lynchproofness.

I don't follow this.

Say PPS targets ash, lio targets PPS (if PPS is telling the truth, PPS now has only d8's), BA checks PPS. PPS confirmed (by ash and BA). I check ash with the Mentalist, and I target someone.

I see that my confirmation get more problematic as scum could just choose not to destroy dice, hm. I guess you have to believe me. But if things go well, scum has to kill me anyway, because otherwise I produce another IC.

How many dice does Lio's ability give?

[Witherweaver]

Oh yeah, also increasingly worrisome for me is that the three logical lynch candidates for today (Faust, Ash, PPS) are the only ones arguing the absurd case that BA and I are scum, and two of those are the big no-lynch proponents.

So what, we're all three scum?

All this proves is that it's possible for town to think you're scum.

So I have real problems trusting things that people say form that group.

[Witherweaver]

Oh yeah, also increasingly worrisome for me is that the three logical lynch candidates for today (Faust, Ash, PPS) are the only ones arguing the absurd case that BA and I are scum, and two of those are the big no-lynch proponents.

So what, we're all three scum?

All this proves is that it's possible for town to think you're scum.

Which is why I went through the effort to type out an explanation how that is not a reasonable scenario.

[faust]

So let me ask this.  Hypothetically, if BA and myself are IC's, is no lynch still the right scenario?  (This isn't an argument, it's a real question.  I mean, would you be coming to the same conclusion on strategy if you 100% believed me and BA right off the bat.)

I'm too tired of all this to respond in detail to your niche little defense (you haven't convinced me, surprise). This is a question I can answer though. Yes, I think no lynch would be even better then. Either we can confirm PPS' and my role, and scum kills one of you, or we can't, and scum kills one of our suspects. Win-win. Once PPS and I are confirmed, ash is the obvious lynch, and we don't run into any danger surrounding lovedness and other lynchproofness.

I don't follow this.

Say PPS targets ash, lio targets PPS (if PPS is telling the truth, PPS now has only d8's), BA checks PPS. PPS confirmed (by ash and BA). I check ash with the Mentalist, and I target someone.

I see that my confirmation get more problematic as scum could just choose not to destroy dice, hm. I guess you have to believe me. But if things go well, scum has to kill me anyway, because otherwise I produce another IC.

How many dice does Lio's ability give?

1d12 I think.

[Witherweaver]

So let me ask this.  Hypothetically, if BA and myself are IC's, is no lynch still the right scenario?  (This isn't an argument, it's a real question.  I mean, would you be coming to the same conclusion on strategy if you 100% believed me and BA right off the bat.)

I'm too tired of all this to respond in detail to your niche little defense (you haven't convinced me, surprise). This is a question I can answer though. Yes, I think no lynch would be even better then. Either we can confirm PPS' and my role, and scum kills one of you, or we can't, and scum kills one of our suspects. Win-win. Once PPS and I are confirmed, ash is the obvious lynch, and we don't run into any danger surrounding lovedness and other lynchproofness.

I don't follow this.

Say PPS targets ash, lio targets PPS (if PPS is telling the truth, PPS now has only d8's), BA checks PPS. PPS confirmed (by ash and BA). I check ash with the Mentalist, and I target someone.

I see that my confirmation get more problematic as scum could just choose not to destroy dice, hm. I guess you have to believe me. But if things go well, scum has to kill me anyway, because otherwise I produce another IC.

How many dice does Lio's ability give?

1d12 I think.

So 11/12 BA targets PPS and gets 1,2, ..., 12.  1/12 he gets 1, 2, ..., 8.

[Witherweaver]

PPS said the next die anyone receives right?

[faust]

PPS said the next die anyone receives right?

As I understood, he said all dice given out from there on. Otherwise his role would do nothing, really.

[Witherweaver]

And what about order?  If you steal from someone, you receive dice right?  How do we know the die you get isn't the d8.  What if someone uses Love Doctor to receive dice with Hated?  What if part of the prize tonight is to receive dice?  How do we know how "next" resolves?