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[ashersky]

Okay...seems there are two camps:

We Believe WW/BA Are Honest Camp (WBWAAH Campers - WW, BA, liopoil, Hydrad)
We THINK WW/BA Are Most Definitely Possibly Liars Camp (WTWBAMDPL Campers - Faust, ashersky)

Undeclared: PPS and Arch.

Most easily reduced to the AAHs versus the BAMs.

Currently, it seems there are too many AAHs for the BAMs to lynch WW or BA.  Is that correct?

Updated:

We Believe WW/BA Are Honest Camp (WBWBAH Campers - WW, BA, liopoil, Hydrad, Archetype)
We THINK WW/BA Are Most Definitely Possibly Liars Camp (WTWBAMDPL Campers - Faust, ashersky, PPS)

BAHs have the majority and can literally lynch whomever they want, regardless of the alignments of faust, ashersky, and PPS.

[ashersky]

Updated:

We Believe WW/BA Are Honest Camp (WBWBAH Campers - WW, BA, liopoil, Hydrad, Archetype)
We THINK WW/BA Are Most Definitely Possibly Liars Camp (WTWBAMDPL Campers - Faust, ashersky, PPS)

BAHs have the majority and can literally lynch whomever they want, regardless of the alignments of faust, ashersky, and PPS.

Based on this, I have to think that we can remove some possible pairings, no?  You've got lio/hydrad/arch on one side and faust/ashersky/PPS on the other.  Could it be safe to assume that scum are sticking together?

That gives us two subsets of there to find two scum in IF WW/BA are telling the truth.

[liopoil]

yeah, so as I was saying, we either lynch pps or no lynch (I don't think an ash or lio or arch or faust or hydrad lynch will go through).

[Witherweaver]

Updated:

We Believe WW/BA Are Honest Camp (WBWBAH Campers - WW, BA, liopoil, Hydrad, Archetype)
We THINK WW/BA Are Most Definitely Possibly Liars Camp (WTWBAMDPL Campers - Faust, ashersky, PPS)

BAHs have the majority and can literally lynch whomever they want, regardless of the alignments of faust, ashersky, and PPS.

Based on this, I have to think that we can remove some possible pairings, no?  You've got lio/hydrad/arch on one side and faust/ashersky/PPS on the other.  Could it be safe to assume that scum are sticking together?

That gives us two subsets of there to find two scum in IF WW/BA are telling the truth.

No, I think it's pretty possible that one scum would side with me and the other against me.

[ashersky]

I don't know.

For me, as it seems apparent we can't get support for WW/BA, I have to decide on PPS, unless liopoil would be interested in a Arch lynch.

Any BAHs up for a liopoil lynch?

[pingpongsam]

If we're going to mislynch I'd rather it be lio than me...

[ashersky]

If we're going to mislynch I'd rather it be lio than me...

From town!PPS's perspective, a lio lynch has a chance of hitting scum, whereas yours doesn't, right?

[Beyond Awesome]

Oh man, so I am still in the middle of my reread, and all of a sudden I realized that the reason why I had been thinking PPS to be town could be the reason he is actually scum.

You see PPS was stolen from D1 and then me D2. This made me relate to PPS and get a townie impression of him. Then, I claim Arms Inspector and PPS uses my claim as an opportunity for him to claim. You see, if PPS were scum, he would know that I was telling the truth. So, at first PPS states he can insert an 8-sided die into someone's supply. Then, he revises it into the wonky explanation he later gives that makes zero sense. He says his role verifies my own role. But, I think he was using my role as an opportunity to come up with a believable fake claim now that I think of it. Also, his role name is Swindler. What does a swindler do? Swindle dice of course!

Vote: PPS

[Beyond Awesome]

Okay, based off what PPS says I am so confident he is scum.

D1: Claims he is the Swindler and will not use his power because it is anti-town. He also gets stolen from and makes a lame, lame excuse that he rolled ahead without realizing he was swiped.

D2: I claim my role. PPS knows I am town so uses this as an opportunity to make a believable fake claim. He states he can insert an 8-sided die into someone's supply. e asks him to elaborate so PPS states that he gives a player a 12-sided die, but the next player to receive die will get an 8-sided die instead. Then, he says that players rolls will alternate between 8 and 12 sides. Okay, if a player gets an 8-sided die then only one of those dice should roll up to 8. Where does he get this whole alternating rolling thing going as if that player were permanently. Also, this does not relate to my role. I can verify both Hydrad and WW. I can not see if someone has an 8-sided die in their supply if they also have 12-sided dice.

Then, on D3: Faust gives him 6 dice which is plenty. PPS rolls all of them which makes zero sense. That was totally scummy to do. (Although, Ash supposedly spending 4 dice on the LD is also pretty scummy and up there with what PPS did. I just hope to god Ash is not loved scum)

And, PPS role name is Swindler for crying out loud!!!

Okay, I am ready to lynch PPS.

[Beyond Awesome]

Also, PPS has been acting so, so scummy today. It is not even funny. I have no idea why he has been getting away with it.

[Beyond Awesome]

Oh, and lio's ability is very similar to PPS, and I think lio is his partner. In my rereads, those two constantly cast suspicion onto each other as if it is intentional. I am certain PPS took lio's role and used my claim to come up with a role of his own.

I am fairly certain that PPS and Lio are the scum team.

[Beyond Awesome]

Also, when PPS claimed, lio had not yet claimed. Lio has been confirmed. PPS has not. This makes it seem more likely that PPS was using his scum partners role to use as a fake claim.

[Beyond Awesome]

Also, PPS has done an excellent job at making sure he has no dice this game whether accidentally or not.

[ashersky]

These are all good points on PPS, generally speaking.  And he has been pretty scummy all game.

One issue with some of your arguments though -- and this keeps being brought up (by PPS no less) -- is that role is not related to alignment.

Now, the fact that PPS has quoted that many times could be him overcompensating as scum for having such a scummy sounding role.  I do think "insert a 1d8 into someone's supply randomly" is a pretty crazy claim.  But so is BA's claim.

PPS/Lio and PPS/arch-mi seem like possibilities, I guess, but lio is screaming for PPS's lynch.  Could be an epic bus, I guess.

[Beyond Awesome]

These are all good points on PPS, generally speaking.  And he has been pretty scummy all game.

One issue with some of your arguments though -- and this keeps being brought up (by PPS no less) -- is that role is not related to alignment.

Now, the fact that PPS has quoted that many times could be him overcompensating as scum for having such a scummy sounding role.  I do think "insert a 1d8 into someone's supply randomly" is a pretty crazy claim.  But so is BA's claim.

PPS/Lio and PPS/arch-mi seem like possibilities, I guess, but lio is screaming for PPS's lynch.  Could be an epic bus, I guess.

Oh, and when I have been doing my reread (which I am halfway done  ) Lio also states a lot of times that roles are independent of alignment. Why do you think these two players play that card so often?

[Beyond Awesome]

Also, Ash PPS is not claiming insert a 1d8 into someone's supply. Okay, he said that at first, but then changed what he said.

PPS states he inserts a 1d12 into someone's supply. He then stated that the next player to receive dice (aren't all night actions simultaneous???) gets a 1d8. He then goes a step further and makes his claim sound even more perverted and states that the players rolls will alternate between d8s and d12s. So, if someone got a 1d8, how is that possible?

Also, notice how well his role compliments lios since lio is the dice giver this game.

[Beyond Awesome]

You know, there is also a nice symmetry between lios and PPS roles. One takes away, while the other gives. Kind of funny. It is kind of like the circle of life thing.

[Archetype]

BA makes some great points. Makes me disbelieve PPS's claim more and makes a PPS/liopoil scumteam more likely. Though really, a dice destroyer/liopoil scumteam would be the most interesting setup-wise.

[Archetype]

And it looks like I said exactly the same thing as BA. Hah.

[Archetype]

If we're going to mislynch I'd rather it be lio than me...

From town!PPS's perspective, a lio lynch has a chance of hitting scum, whereas yours doesn't, right?

Liopoil gives out a lot of dice while you only give out one. Why would lio be a better mislynch than yourself?

[Beyond Awesome]

Honestly, we can lynch either one since I am fairly certain they are both scum. However, I do think lynching the dice destroyer is the better choice of the two.

[ashersky]

If we're going to mislynch I'd rather it be lio than me...

From town!PPS's perspective, a lio lynch has a chance of hitting scum, whereas yours doesn't, right?

Liopoil gives out a lot of dice while you only give out one. Why would lio be a better mislynch than yourself?

Are you asking PPS?

[Archetype]

If we're going to mislynch I'd rather it be lio than me...

From town!PPS's perspective, a lio lynch has a chance of hitting scum, whereas yours doesn't, right?

Liopoil gives out a lot of dice while you only give out one. Why would lio be a better mislynch than yourself?

Are you asking PPS?

Yes. My bad - I should have specified.

[Archetype]

Honestly, we can lynch either one since I am fairly certain they are both scum. However, I do think lynching the dice destroyer is the better choice of the two.

I'm not 100% sure that liopoil is scum, but if PPS does flip scum (which I'm pretty sure he will), he'll be my #1 suspect.

[pingpongsam]

Also, PPS has done an excellent job at making sure he has no dice this game whether accidentally or not.

Yet, where is the scummy roll?

You do realize we are casually discussing which mislynch to take? Why is no lynch not an option?