Topic: RMM16: Dice Mafia (Town wins!) (Read 547717 times)

ashersky · « **Reply #3150 on:** July 22, 2014, 05:24:43 pm »

Why does BA/WW keep arguing that they're caught tomorrow if they are lying so they can't possibly be lying? It isn't like the Mason claim is ever confirmable. It's a false argument to try to protect themselves.

Council was a town reward, right? Every reward has been useful to town. Explain how the QT last night was useful...secret masons with two randoms? There must have been something else to it, or the point was two townies get to meet (in council) the remaining scum via secret identities. That makes a lot of thematic sense. Everyone claims "not Alice/bob" the next day, scum has to be careful not to slip info they learned.

Beyond Awesome · « **Reply #3151 on:** July 22, 2014, 05:24:56 pm »

Quote from: faust on July 22, 2014, 05:24:08 pm

Quote from: Archetype on July 22, 2014, 05:20:11 pm
Are you guys really going to no lynch? Its obviously faust/pingpongsam. If we no lynch today, I'm likely going to be NK'd and then faust and PPS will try to push WW or BAs lynch tommorow.

Part of me wants to lose just to be able to tell you "told you so". Why is it "obviously" me/pps? I thought ash is caught scum?

If you are town, the actions you are taking today are going to make you lose the game Faust.

faust · « **Reply #3152 on:** July 22, 2014, 05:25:16 pm »

BTW, no way Arch is the night kill. There are tons of better targets. Me, Hydrad, WW/BA if they're town...

faust · « **Reply #3153 on:** July 22, 2014, 05:25:57 pm »

Quote from: Beyond Awesome on July 22, 2014, 05:24:56 pm

Quote from: faust on July 22, 2014, 05:24:08 pm
Quote from: Archetype on July 22, 2014, 05:20:11 pm
Are you guys really going to no lynch? Its obviously faust/pingpongsam. If we no lynch today, I'm likely going to be NK'd and then faust and PPS will try to push WW or BAs lynch tommorow.

Part of me wants to lose just to be able to tell you "told you so". Why is it "obviously" me/pps? I thought ash is caught scum?

If you are town, the actions you are taking today are going to make you lose the game Faust.

How so? Expand.

Beyond Awesome · « **Reply #3154 on:** July 22, 2014, 05:26:19 pm »

Quote from: faust on July 22, 2014, 05:25:57 pm

Quote from: Beyond Awesome on July 22, 2014, 05:24:56 pm
Quote from: faust on July 22, 2014, 05:24:08 pm
Quote from: Archetype on July 22, 2014, 05:20:11 pm
Are you guys really going to no lynch? Its obviously faust/pingpongsam. If we no lynch today, I'm likely going to be NK'd and then faust and PPS will try to push WW or BAs lynch tommorow.

Part of me wants to lose just to be able to tell you "told you so". Why is it "obviously" me/pps? I thought ash is caught scum?

If you are town, the actions you are taking today are going to make you lose the game Faust.

How so? Expand.

Because WW and I are town. That's why.

faust · « **Reply #3155 on:** July 22, 2014, 05:27:07 pm »

Quote from: ashersky on July 22, 2014, 05:24:43 pm

Why does BA/WW keep arguing that they're caught tomorrow if they are lying so they can't possibly be lying? It isn't like the Mason claim is ever confirmable. It's a false argument to try to protect themselves.

Council was a town reward, right? Every reward has been useful to town. Explain how the QT last night was useful...secret masons with two randoms? There must have been something else to it, or the point was two townies get to meet (in council) the remaining scum via secret identities. That makes a lot of thematic sense. Everyone claims "not Alice/bob" the next day, scum has to be careful not to slip info they learned.

I'm so glad you're here.

Witherweaver · « **Reply #3156 on:** July 22, 2014, 05:27:27 pm »

Quote from: faust on July 22, 2014, 05:25:16 pm

BTW, no way Arch is the night kill. There are tons of better targets. Me, Hydrad, WW/BA if they're town...

We would be a bad target. Killing one of us makes the other an IC and gets rid of the mislynch opportunity tomorrow.

faust · « **Reply #3157 on:** July 22, 2014, 05:28:36 pm »

Quote from: Witherweaver on July 22, 2014, 05:27:27 pm

Quote from: faust on July 22, 2014, 05:25:16 pm
BTW, no way Arch is the night kill. There are tons of better targets. Me, Hydrad, WW/BA if they're town...

We would be a bad target. Killing one of us makes the other an IC and gets rid of the mislynch opportunity tomorrow.

We can confirm both of you as town tomorrow... if you're town.

faust · « **Reply #3158 on:** July 22, 2014, 05:29:15 pm »

Bah, you know what?

Back to Vote: WW. I have no more doubts.

Witherweaver · « **Reply #3159 on:** July 22, 2014, 05:29:25 pm »

Quote from: ashersky on July 22, 2014, 05:24:43 pm

Why does BA/WW keep arguing that they're caught tomorrow if they are lying so they can't possibly be lying? It isn't like the Mason claim is ever confirmable. It's a false argument to try to protect themselves.

Council was a town reward, right? Every reward has been useful to town. Explain how the QT last night was useful...secret masons with two randoms? There must have been something else to it, or the point was two townies get to meet (in council) the remaining scum via secret identities. That makes a lot of thematic sense. Everyone claims "not Alice/bob" the next day, scum has to be careful not to slip info they learned.

I'm not sure what argument you're talking about, but I'm not making that.

I'm saying you have three people in the QT: me, BA, and Hydrad. We can't all be scum. It's pretty clear from QT transpirings that me and BA did not coordinate.

Witherweaver · « **Reply #3160 on:** July 22, 2014, 05:30:10 pm »

Quote from: faust on July 22, 2014, 05:28:36 pm

Quote from: Witherweaver on July 22, 2014, 05:27:27 pm
Quote from: faust on July 22, 2014, 05:25:16 pm
BTW, no way Arch is the night kill. There are tons of better targets. Me, Hydrad, WW/BA if they're town...

We would be a bad target. Killing one of us makes the other an IC and gets rid of the mislynch opportunity tomorrow.

We can confirm both of you as town tomorrow... if you're town.

Huh? How is tomorrow going to be any different than today? You can still make exactly the argument that BA and myself are scum.

faust · « **Reply #3161 on:** July 22, 2014, 05:31:02 pm »

Quote from: Witherweaver on July 22, 2014, 05:30:10 pm

Quote from: faust on July 22, 2014, 05:28:36 pm
Quote from: Witherweaver on July 22, 2014, 05:27:27 pm
Quote from: faust on July 22, 2014, 05:25:16 pm
BTW, no way Arch is the night kill. There are tons of better targets. Me, Hydrad, WW/BA if they're town...

We would be a bad target. Killing one of us makes the other an IC and gets rid of the mislynch opportunity tomorrow.

We can confirm both of you as town tomorrow... if you're town.

Huh? How is tomorrow going to be any different than today? You can still make exactly the argument that BA and myself are scum.

Have you even read my confirmation plan?

faust · « **Reply #3162 on:** July 22, 2014, 05:32:10 pm »

I'm going to sleep. With ash around, I feel a little safer to do that. Hope that Arch or lio finally get around.

Witherweaver · « **Reply #3163 on:** July 22, 2014, 05:33:26 pm »

Quote from: faust on July 22, 2014, 05:31:02 pm

Quote from: Witherweaver on July 22, 2014, 05:30:10 pm
Quote from: faust on July 22, 2014, 05:28:36 pm
Quote from: Witherweaver on July 22, 2014, 05:27:27 pm
Quote from: faust on July 22, 2014, 05:25:16 pm
BTW, no way Arch is the night kill. There are tons of better targets. Me, Hydrad, WW/BA if they're town...

We would be a bad target. Killing one of us makes the other an IC and gets rid of the mislynch opportunity tomorrow.

We can confirm both of you as town tomorrow... if you're town.

Huh? How is tomorrow going to be any different than today? You can still make exactly the argument that BA and myself are scum.

Have you even read my confirmation plan?

My role is verifiable if BA investigates my target. Then you can argue BA and I are just lying.

Otherwise, I have to target someone that rolls a bunch of dice. (a) That person could be scum and just lie, especially if we get the odds monster, because he can play an odd and claimed to have rolled a 10 or 12. (b) That person doesn't roll 10, 11, 12, but no one has any idea whether its chance or because of me. So we have a bunch of probability arguments.

Witherweaver · « **Reply #3164 on:** July 22, 2014, 05:34:17 pm »

Also, I could target scum and they could have a 10,11, 12 stored.

Witherweaver · « **Reply #3165 on:** July 22, 2014, 05:34:29 pm »

Also, my target could die.

Witherweaver · « **Reply #3166 on:** July 22, 2014, 05:35:09 pm »

What possible reason do I have to believe you aren't going to continue this crusade tomorrow?

liopoil · « **Reply #3167 on:** July 22, 2014, 05:35:56 pm »

I'm fine with being targeted with pretty much anything. I don't think I'm dying tonight.

faust and ww/BA should probably stop talking to each other, definitely pointless.

wow, so many posts in so little time. Catching up.

faust · « **Reply #3168 on:** July 22, 2014, 05:36:17 pm »

Also, you could be scum preparing for an incriminating result tomorrow.

Really going to sleep now.

Witherweaver · « **Reply #3169 on:** July 22, 2014, 05:39:25 pm »

Quote from: faust on July 22, 2014, 05:36:17 pm

Also, you could be scum preparing for an incriminating result tomorrow.

Really going to sleep now.

"Preparing"? What does that mean?

Beyond Awesome · « **Reply #3170 on:** July 22, 2014, 05:39:54 pm »

Quote from: liopoil on July 22, 2014, 05:35:56 pm

I'm fine with being targeted with pretty much anything. I don't think I'm dying tonight.

faust and ww/BA should probably stop talking to each other, definitely pointless.

wow, so many posts in so little time. Catching up.

I agree. WW, I think we should just ignore Faust for the rest of the day and give him the silent treatment. Obviously, he won't listen to reason and our discussions are going nowhere with him.

ashersky · « **Reply #3171 on:** July 22, 2014, 05:46:26 pm »

If faust is town (I think he is), he's dead tomorrow given his "I can cop someone!" statement, which wasn't the smartest thing he's ever said.

If pps or ash is scum, they'll kill him to protect themselves from the result. Even if they are not, easy enough for scum to kill faust to make either of them look bad.

ashersky · « **Reply #3172 on:** July 22, 2014, 05:47:12 pm »

Quote from: Beyond Awesome on July 22, 2014, 04:04:19 pm

Quote from: faust on July 22, 2014, 04:00:59 pm
IT IS OBVIOUS THAT WW AND BA ARE GUNNING FOR THAT ONE LAST MISLYNCH THEY NEED IN ORDER TO WIN THIS GAME!

Sorry about that.

Faust think about what you are saying. If we are scum, we are caught tomorrow no matter if a mislynch happens or not. Why would WW and I be trying so hard when nothing we do would matter and we would end up getting caught anyway? Seriously, if we were scum, we would have thrown in the towel by now.

Also, we could have easily had Ash lynched the other day when he as acting all crazy and everything. We could have easily pushed his lynch. Everyone was ready to vote for him.

PPE

This argument. Why are you caught tomorrow? I think this is a fake argument to be made.

ashersky · « **Reply #3173 on:** July 22, 2014, 05:48:22 pm »

I think WW/BA's big mistake, if they are the scum team, was claiming something that directly relates to alignment. To me, with a game setup that directly states "all roles are assigned regardless of alignment," it strikes as out of theme to then include a prize that rewards roles that do relate to alignment.

Witherweaver · « **Reply #3174 on:** July 22, 2014, 05:49:37 pm »

Quote from: ashersky on July 22, 2014, 05:47:12 pm

Quote from: Beyond Awesome on July 22, 2014, 04:04:19 pm
Quote from: faust on July 22, 2014, 04:00:59 pm
IT IS OBVIOUS THAT WW AND BA ARE GUNNING FOR THAT ONE LAST MISLYNCH THEY NEED IN ORDER TO WIN THIS GAME!

Sorry about that.

Faust think about what you are saying. If we are scum, we are caught tomorrow no matter if a mislynch happens or not. Why would WW and I be trying so hard when nothing we do would matter and we would end up getting caught anyway? Seriously, if we were scum, we would have thrown in the towel by now.

Also, we could have easily had Ash lynched the other day when he as acting all crazy and everything. We could have easily pushed his lynch. Everyone was ready to vote for him.

PPE

This argument. Why are you caught tomorrow? I think this is a fake argument to be made.

That's not my argument, it's his. And I'm not sure what he meant with this.

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