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[liopoil]

I would vote for no lynch if a pps lynch won't go through. What's holding us back is that we could need that extra town player.

[Jimmmmm]

Vote Count 4.2

ashersky (1): Archetype
pingpongsam (1):  liopoil
liopoil (1): ashersky
no lynch (3): faust, Hydrad, pingpongsam (L-2)

not voting (2): Witherweaver, Beyond Awesome

With 8 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

Evening begins on July 26 at 11am forum time.
Day 1 ends on July 28 at 11am forum time.

Target: 4
Score: 5

[liopoil]

Worded that poorly. I mean that I am concered that we might need that extra town player, if there is a vig shot on town, or we manage to block the NK with something.

[liopoil]

Why doesn't it only take 4 to no lynch? effectively 4 people can force a no lynch.

[Witherweaver]

So, the unconfirmed roles are {PPS, Faust, Ashersky}.  Is there anything wrong with the logic that one scum must be there?  The ability that reduces players supply has to come from scum, so unless it's some factional ability (which I doubt), or some random attrition (which I also doubt), or someone has multiple abilities in their role (which I doubt even more), that ability must lie in one of these unconfirmed people.

Faust says he can confirm everyone but Ash, but I'm a little wary of this.

Note that two players in the list of three where a scum must lie are voting for No Lynch.

[liopoil]

Masons, why aren't you voting? I know BA is rereading... ww?

[Witherweaver]

Because I can't figure out who scum is.

Ash is seeming less likely, Faust is seeming more likely (the more he insists to try to lynch town players), but I have trouble seeing his previous play as scum.  PPS might be my top choice now.

[Witherweaver]

Well, I'm torn on Faust.  Trying to lynch town players is not townie, but as scum he knows that once he lynches one of us, the other is 100% confirmed town.  So me and BA die today and tonight, and then he's not going to look very good at MyLo tomorrow.

[pingpongsam]

Because I can't figure out who scum is.

Uh, that's why we are voting no lynch...

[pingpongsam]

It seems as if a confirmed role is conflated with a confirmed alignment which I believe to be an egregious oversight.

[Witherweaver]

It seems as if a confirmed role is conflated with a confirmed alignment which I believe to be an egregious oversight.

Confirmed role means you can't have the role that we know (modulo edge case) exists that no one has claimed.

[pingpongsam]

It seems as if a confirmed role is conflated with a confirmed alignment which I believe to be an egregious oversight.

Confirmed role means you can't have the role that we know (modulo edge case) exists that no one has claimed.

Gotcha, well, I can confirm my role tonight. that no one has asked me to do so strikes me as odd.

[Witherweaver]

Because I can't figure out who scum is.

Uh, that's why we are voting no lynch...

Okay so we no lynch.  It's tomorrow.

"WW, why aren't you voting"

"Because I can't figure out who scum is"

Are you going to propose no lynch again?

[Witherweaver]

It seems as if a confirmed role is conflated with a confirmed alignment which I believe to be an egregious oversight.

Confirmed role means you can't have the role that we know (modulo edge case) exists that no one has claimed.

Gotcha, well, I can confirm my role tonight. that no one has asked me to do so strikes me as odd.

I find it odd that you didn't use it last night.

[pingpongsam]

It seems as if a confirmed role is conflated with a confirmed alignment which I believe to be an egregious oversight.

Confirmed role means you can't have the role that we know (modulo edge case) exists that no one has claimed.

Gotcha, well, I can confirm my role tonight. that no one has asked me to do so strikes me as odd.

I find it odd that you didn't use it last night.

I hadn't considered confirming my role until today. Up until now I've looked at the power as something to be left alone considering it does things I can't control which would be less than ideal done to a fellow townie. I think with the remaining monsters, however it is a worthwhile risk to take.

[Witherweaver]

It seems as if a confirmed role is conflated with a confirmed alignment which I believe to be an egregious oversight.

Confirmed role means you can't have the role that we know (modulo edge case) exists that no one has claimed.

Gotcha, well, I can confirm my role tonight. that no one has asked me to do so strikes me as odd.

I find it odd that you didn't use it last night.

I hadn't considered confirming my role until today. Up until now I've looked at the power as something to be left alone considering it does things I can't control which would be less than ideal done to a fellow townie. I think with the remaining monsters, however it is a worthwhile risk to take.

Like the monster that requires rolls of 1 or 2?

[pingpongsam]

It seems as if a confirmed role is conflated with a confirmed alignment which I believe to be an egregious oversight.

Confirmed role means you can't have the role that we know (modulo edge case) exists that no one has claimed.

Gotcha, well, I can confirm my role tonight. that no one has asked me to do so strikes me as odd.

I find it odd that you didn't use it last night.

I hadn't considered confirming my role until today. Up until now I've looked at the power as something to be left alone considering it does things I can't control which would be less than ideal done to a fellow townie. I think with the remaining monsters, however it is a worthwhile risk to take.

Like the monster that requires rolls of 1 or 2?

I don't follow, that is today's monster. Unless you're saying that a d8 is statistically more likely to roll a 1 or a 2 than a d12 and that was my master plan, then you have severely underestimated what I consider a master plan.

[Witherweaver]

I'm saying you should have used your ability already.

[faust]

Because I can't figure out who scum is.

Uh, that's why we are voting no lynch...

Okay so we no lynch.  It's tomorrow.

"WW, why aren't you voting"

"Because I can't figure out who scum is"

Are you going to propose no lynch again?

Tomorrow, either all roles are confirmed, and we lynch ash. Or we caught someone lying, in which case lynch them.

[faust]

It seems as if a confirmed role is conflated with a confirmed alignment which I believe to be an egregious oversight.

Well, that's not true of course. But there's the equation confirmed fakeclaim = scum. I think it is very likely that at least one scum is lying about their role. Possibly, but not necessarily, both.

[Witherweaver]

Are you sure of this?  There's nothing that can go wrong?

[Beyond Awesome]

I honestly think the only person lying about their role is Ash. PPS immediately came to my defense when I announced my role which was the first role that had to do with dice values. PPS claimed his role before anyone else. I know WW is telling the truth. And, we know now that chairs was telling the truth. So, that leaves Ash as the most likely liar...unless somehow PPS thought of this brilliant role that he did way before other players claimed and decided to claim it when he did to look more towny.

[Beyond Awesome]

And, Faust what is your masterful? How are we going to confirm everyone's roles again?

[Hydrad]

Are you sure of this?  There's nothing that can go wrong?

I think there is a chance that something could go wrong. mainly if scum is loved and we mislynch once. or we lose vs the monster and the reward helps them with a kill or something.
But i do agree that this info will really help us find scum. Its a risk I'm willing to take but at the same time I'm still up for lynching someone today

[faust]

Just to make sure that before there's a quick-no-lynch, everyone should know what to do.

PPS should target someone he thinks will stay alive.
liopoil should probably target PPS in order not to mess with the confirmation of PPS' role.
Hydrad and BA should target the same person, ideally someone who is likely to stay alive. liopoil, maybe?
WW should target someone else than BA does, who has enough dice to prove WW's role. Probably Arch?
I target someone, not sure yet... ideas?

Does everyone mentioned here agree to this?

PPE: BA, I answered your question before seeing it.