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[Beyond Awesome]

If ash is Town, he's being difficult on purpose. Otherwise he would explain why he lost his dice if it wasn't by the Love Doctor.

It was "by" the Love Doctor.  I've said that.

So, how do you know his abilities then?

Because someone targeted me with the love doctor, resulting in him bring in my QT last night.

Dude. This has got to be like a contradiction here. I mean, seriously, if someone had targeted you with the LD (which I don't think is possible), then why would he be in your QT listing the choices? Why would it not say the Love Doctor targeted you last night and leave it at that?

PPE:

[ashersky]

Fuck, man.

[ashersky]

To "target" means basically to select someone at night.  So a cop targets a player to investigate.  A doctor targets a player to protect.  A Mentalist Advisor targets someone to be visited by The Mentalist.  A "unknown" targeted me to be visited by the Love Doctor.

[Archetype]

Did you use the 5 Dice Love Doctor cost thing, but couldn't pay the price, so you lost all 4?

[Beyond Awesome]

Okay, so let's take the very improbably scenario. Someone targeted you with the LD. Why would they do that? Why would you bring it up on this day when there was no need to mention you had no dice left? Also, Ichi was not targeted by the Love Doctor. He was given four options, and he was able to target himself. So, how was another player able to target you when Ichi only targeted himself. Maybe Ichi failed to mention he could target another player. But, I doubt that.

[Beyond Awesome]

To "target" means basically to select someone at night.  So a cop targets a player to investigate.  A doctor targets a player to protect.  A Mentalist Advisor targets someone to be visited by The Mentalist.  A "unknown" targeted me to be visited by the Love Doctor.

Okay, so you were visited. So, that means, you had choices you could choose from, correct? Are you denying this? Are you trying to tell me the choices were already made for you?

[Beyond Awesome]

Did you use the 5 Dice Love Doctor cost thing, but couldn't pay the price, so you lost all 4?

Assuming that is what happened, that still means he was trying to become permanently loved.

[Beyond Awesome]

Oh, and Ichi could not choose who the Love Doctor visited next and he had it N2 Ash. So, I think he was the only player capable of sending it your way.

[liopoil]

Dude is just...he's scum guys.

Look at his posts.  No new content, ideas, scumhunting, or anything.  They're all just "hey, that's a good idea, just don't target X, target Y instead."

He's been scummy all game.

My lynch order: liopoil > PPS > Faust.

If we aren't lynching lio today, we should definitely lynch lio as a second choice.  If neither of those are working out, then lio is an acceptable third choice.

Actually, what Ash says here is true. I started doing my complete reread from D1 on up. I was gone for most of today, so I have not had much time to further my reading. But, I noticed that lio plays super conservative. He pretty much posts so that he doesn't seem like a lurker, but that's it. He doesn't seem to do anything to try and get noticed. He doesn't cast suspicion on other players. He doesn't say anything that can really get a reaction from other players. Of all the players, I am actually finding his play style the most scummy because everyone else stands out more. Everyone is more engaged in this game. You can argue lio is engaged, but most of his engagement is just posting to post stuff.

that's just not true. I contribute what I have to contribute, which I think is a decent amount. I could say that this is an attack against my playstyle, but I know it's not meant that way.

catching up, something about love doctor going on. Responding as I read.

[ashersky]

Okay, so let's take the very improbably scenario. Someone targeted you with the LD. Why would they do that? Why would you bring it up on this day when there was no need to mention you had no dice left? Also, Ichi was not targeted by the Love Doctor. He was given four options, and he was able to target himself. So, how was another player able to target you when Ichi only targeted himself. Maybe Ichi failed to mention he could target another player. But, I doubt that.

I don't know why the controller of the love doctor sent him to me.  Just like I don't know why XP sent the Mentalist to me.

I brought it up for two reasons: 1) I wanted to see if I could get the controller to out himself, and 2) how can town NOT tell everyone else that the option to become loved, and therefore Lylo unlynchable, is in the game?

Ichi could not "target himself."  There's no targeting with Hated or Loved.  We get to "buy" an option, basically.

[ashersky]

Oh, and Ichi could not choose who the Love Doctor visited next and he had it N2 Ash. So, I think he was the only player capable of sending it your way.

No.  The Love Doctor controller chooses a target each night is a perfectly viable answer, just like XP did with The Mentalist.

[ashersky]

Did you use the 5 Dice Love Doctor cost thing, but couldn't pay the price, so you lost all 4?

Assuming that is what happened, that still means he was trying to become permanently loved.

Arch wins the prize.

Now, assume I'm not an idiot and can count to 5.  Do you still think I was trying to become permanently loved through that decision?

[Archetype]

Okay, so let's take the very improbably scenario. Someone targeted you with the LD. Why would they do that? Why would you bring it up on this day when there was no need to mention you had no dice left? Also, Ichi was not targeted by the Love Doctor. He was given four options, and he was able to target himself. So, how was another player able to target you when Ichi only targeted himself. Maybe Ichi failed to mention he could target another player. But, I doubt that.

I don't know why the controller of the love doctor sent him to me.  Just like I don't know why XP sent the Mentalist to me.

I brought it up for two reasons: 1) I wanted to see if I could get the controller to out himself, and 2) how can town NOT tell everyone else that the option to become loved, and therefore Lylo unlynchable, is in the game?

Ichi could not "target himself."  There's no targeting with Hated or Loved.  We get to "buy" an option, basically.

1) If the controller was scum, why would he out himself?
2) You seeemed OK with not telling everyone until I asked what this "stuff" that happened to you was and Hydrad mentioned the Love Doctor

[Witherweaver]

We're all pretty sure neither LD or GR has a controller.

[Beyond Awesome]

Okay, so let's take the very improbably scenario. Someone targeted you with the LD. Why would they do that? Why would you bring it up on this day when there was no need to mention you had no dice left? Also, Ichi was not targeted by the Love Doctor. He was given four options, and he was able to target himself. So, how was another player able to target you when Ichi only targeted himself. Maybe Ichi failed to mention he could target another player. But, I doubt that.

I don't know why the controller of the love doctor sent him to me.  Just like I don't know why XP sent the Mentalist to me.

I brought it up for two reasons: 1) I wanted to see if I could get the controller to out himself, and 2) how can town NOT tell everyone else that the option to become loved, and therefore Lylo unlynchable, is in the game?

Ichi could not "target himself."  There's no targeting with Hated or Loved.  We get to "buy" an option, basically.

Yes, exactly. You got to buy an option. And, as far as I know, you can only buy for yourself not another player. Therefore, you tried to buy for yourself. And, even if you did not, you still chose an option that cost you to lose dice and you decided to buy for someone else. Either way, you spent dice to try and make someone permanently loved. Why?

[ashersky]

I was waiting to see what I could coax out.  See Jimmmm with a guilty result on me in Chocolate Factory for another instance of this strategy.  (Didn't work there, either.)

[Witherweaver]

Where did The Mentalist go, by the way?

[ashersky]

We're all pretty sure neither LD or GR has a controller.

Why?  What proof is there of that, whatsoever?

[Archetype]

Did you use the 5 Dice Love Doctor cost thing, but couldn't pay the price, so you lost all 4?

Assuming that is what happened, that still means he was trying to become permanently loved.

Arch wins the prize.

Now, assume I'm not an idiot and can count to 5.  Do you still think I was trying to become permanently loved through that decision?

Yes. Why would Town choose to get rid of their dice?

[Archetype]

Where did The Mentalist go, by the way?

I have him.

[ashersky]

Where did The Mentalist go, by the way?

I sent him to Arch.  He hasn't claimed a result on me, PPS, or Faust.

[ashersky]

Did you use the 5 Dice Love Doctor cost thing, but couldn't pay the price, so you lost all 4?

Assuming that is what happened, that still means he was trying to become permanently loved.

Arch wins the prize.

Now, assume I'm not an idiot and can count to 5.  Do you still think I was trying to become permanently loved through that decision?

Yes. Why would Town choose to get rid of their dice?

So you do think I'm an idiot who thought 4=5 and it would work out for me.  Thanks.

[Beyond Awesome]

I was waiting to see what I could coax out.  See Jimmmm with a guilty result on me in Chocolate Factory for another instance of this strategy.  (Didn't work there, either.)

If you are telling the truth, you have just made yourself seem even scummier. Also, how do you manage to spend 4 dice on a 5 dice ability. That sounds almost impossible. And, again, why try to make yourself or someone else permanently loved? Unless, you are actually saying you chose none of the options and actually did not lose dice, but wanted to pretend you lost dice just to see how people reacted. Honestly, Ash, I have no idea what you are trying to do.

[Archetype]

Did you use the 5 Dice Love Doctor cost thing, but couldn't pay the price, so you lost all 4?

Assuming that is what happened, that still means he was trying to become permanently loved.

Arch wins the prize.

Now, assume I'm not an idiot and can count to 5.  Do you still think I was trying to become permanently loved through that decision?

Yes. Why would Town choose to get rid of their dice?

So you do think I'm an idiot who thought 4=5 and it would work out for me.  Thanks.

You misremembering how many dice you have is the only rational explanation I can think of if you're Town.

[pingpongsam]

Where did The Mentalist go, by the way?

I sent him to Arch.  He hasn't claimed a result on me, PPS, or Faust.

Because he is your scum partner and your about to get lynched so he can't result you as Town or he'd be fried tomorrow and he can't result Townies as scum because he is also fried the next day and you get it the next for having sent it to him as his partner?