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[ashersky]

Can someone just own up to targeting me last night?

[Hydrad]

ok WW/BA I'm just going to say this. I'm almost 100% sure faust is town even though it seems like hes being scummy. Hes tunneling you guys so hard because you were his top 2 reads and you just so happened to claim masons. Honestly I completly understand his thinking and I think its good for this game just incase that possibility happened. However it makes almost no sense for scum faust to do this. He pretty much had a free win with no one even considering him being scum so there is really no reason for scum faust to be pushing the lynch onto you guys.

It could be a super meta way to throw off the game but honestly I don't see him trying it. I don't think faust is going to stop targeting you guys so I just suggest we find the actual scum and hope we hit one of them. If we manage to do that you won't have to prove your innocence anymore. I highly doubt you guys will be lynched today as it seems almost everyone agrees to trying to lynch lio/asher/pps today (other then faust).

PPE:3

[Witherweaver]

Stuff Ichi brought up in the QT regarding reads:

(Paraphrasing)

*Ash is very scummy, in particular making the post saying Archetype was his only town read. 
*Unsure on Faust, but suspicious because he (Ichi) was tunneled Day 1, and he (Ichi) could see Ash putting suspicion on his partner as he had been (referring to Ash going after Faust yesterday, I think)
*Unsure on Lio

*Also shared about who he was visited by the night before.  Admitted some stuff that makes him a better kill target (which implicates Hydrad somewhat).

PPE: Hydrad

[Witherweaver]

ok WW/BA I'm just going to say this. I'm almost 100% sure faust is town even though it seems like hes being scummy. Hes tunneling you guys so hard because you were his top 2 reads and you just so happened to claim masons. Honestly I completly understand his thinking and I think its good for this game just incase that possibility happened. However it makes almost no sense for scum faust to do this. He pretty much had a free win with no one even considering him being scum so there is really no reason for scum faust to be pushing the lynch onto you guys.

It could be a super meta way to throw off the game but honestly I don't see him trying it. I don't think faust is going to stop targeting you guys so I just suggest we find the actual scum and hope we hit one of them. If we manage to do that you won't have to prove your innocence anymore. I highly doubt you guys will be lynched today as it seems almost everyone agrees to trying to lynch lio/asher/pps today (other then faust).

PPE:3

This is a good point.  I have to think this isn't a good avenue for scum!Faust to pursue.

[Witherweaver]

Ash, can you claim your actual role?

[Hydrad]

Ash, can you claim your actual role?

he claimed VT

[Witherweaver]

Ash, can you claim your actual role?

he claimed VT

Okay, right, thanks.

[Hydrad]

also how much paraphrasing is allowed. I'm wondering if I should pretty much paraphrase every post BA and WW did in the QT as I feel it felt really towny.

[Witherweaver]

also how much paraphrasing is allowed. I'm wondering if I should pretty much paraphrase every post BA and WW did in the QT as I feel it felt really towny.

You can paraphrase as much as you want, you just can't directly quote anything.

[ashersky]

Ash, can you claim your actual role?

he claimed VT

Okay, right, thanks.

If it matters, it doesn't say VT in my PM.  It says I have no special role.

[Witherweaver]

Ash, can you claim your actual role?

he claimed VT

If it matters, it doesn't say VT in my PM.  It says I have no special role.

Hm.. Box flipped Vanilla Town.

[Witherweaver]

"Townie," to be precise. 

[Beyond Awesome]

Ash, can you claim your actual role?

he claimed VT

Okay, right, thanks.

If it matters, it doesn't say VT in my PM.  It says I have no special role.

On page 1, Jimm has a post showing the VT message. You could have just looked up page 1 and hoped no one else noticed.

[Beyond Awesome]

VT PM

flavour

Welcome Player to Dice Mafia. You have no special role.

You are Town-aligned. You win when the Mafia has been eliminated and at least one Town player is alive.

Personal QT: link

[Witherweaver]

I'm not sure there's much there.  If I got that PM I'd call it VT too.

[ashersky]

You mean and not said anything?

[Hydrad]

Ok here is WW and BA's interactions during the QT I feel like it will help them seem more towny but maybe there is something I missed so I guess more info is always good.

(first couple posts happen pretty fast so I feel like scum wouldn't of had time to discuss a mason plan by the time they admitted it?)
BA: asks WW if he knows who he is and suggests the idea of waiting till D4 to reveal their identities.
WW: accepts the offer of waiting till D4 to reveal and says BA was confirmed town to him
Me: I ask for the purpose of the hidden names
WW: Replies that WW and BA are masons and don't want to reveal their names incase me or ichi are scum.

BA: tells WW that he thinks only WW was turned into a mason and that BA still gets to retain his role.
BA: says he is waiting for confermation to see if he was turned into a mason
WW: says he just got a inivite that said he was joining the council with his "fellow mason" and would be surprised if BA didn't get the same thing.
BA: says he got the same message and was wondering if their old roles went away.
BA: says Jimm said he gets to keep their old abilities
WW: asks Jimmm if we BA and WW get to keep the QT for other nights.


So thats the basis of what happened. There is obviously some stuff I left out but I put in everything that was about the mason roles and their interactions with each other.

Hopefully you can gain something from this

PPE:8...

[ashersky]

Were you all using the QT with your normal screen names?

[Beyond Awesome]

Were you all using the QT with your normal screen names?

No. I was given the name Bob. WW was given the name Alice.

[Hydrad]

me and ichi were using our screen names though.

[Witherweaver]

Ah, Hydrad brings up a good point I didn't think about, and makes me think he's a lot more townie now.  If BA and I had discussed being Masons in scum QT, I certainly would have described what Masons are to him there, not in the Council QT.

Also, that the QT opened up at 2:30 in the morning and BA started posting right away (well, at 3:30 AM) should indicate that we had no time to collaborate.

[Beyond Awesome]

Ah, Hydrad brings up a good point I didn't think about, and makes me think he's a lot more townie now.  If BA and I had discussed being Masons in scum QT, I certainly would have described what Masons are to him there, not in the Council QT.

Yah. I did not know what a Mason was. I thought it was a new title that replaced our old roles and meant that we no longer had our powers still.

[ashersky]

Weird.

[liopoil]

BA-WW and faust, all three of you are assumed town for now, stop suspecting each other please.

[Beyond Awesome]

Okay, well, I am pretty sure Hydrad is town, so I don't think he is lying about being stolen from.

Faust is most likely also telling the truth.

So, that leaves Ash.

I don't see Ash as scum lying about being stolen from. That makes very little sense. Maybe he would do it as an act of desperation and try to frame Faust, but, seriously, did he think something like that work. So, I don't think Ash is lying either. So, that means, most likely the Ogre attack steals dice. At least, I am going to assume that for now until I find out otherwise.

So, what does Ash being stole from tell us? Nothing. If Ash were scum, he would steal from himself to look more townie, and if Ash were town, scum would try to frame him by stealing from him. It is pure WIFOM at this point.