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[faust]

For council to be useful to town or harmful to mafia, it couldn't just be a one night neighborhood.

So theoretically masons inside makes some sense.

Could the QT do anything?

But why are the Masons called "Alice" and "Bob"? Why not just real names? I think codenames only make sense for scum.

[faust]

For council to be useful to town or harmful to mafia, it couldn't just be a one night neighborhood.

What makes you think that it wouldn't be a one night deal?

Also, I just thought of something. I think Faust is telling the truth. If he targeted PPS and got nothing back then that sounds actually realistic. PPS could verify he had no dice. The only way that Faust would by lying in this case if he and PPS are partners and the plan was to lynch Ash today by framing him and then mislynch another player the next day.

So, that actually means we have only a couple of possibilities.
1) Either Hydrad or Ash are lying about being stolen from.
2) The Ogre attack stole from either Ash or Hydrad
3) Faust and PPS are scum partners and Faust lied about targeting PPS.

PPE 2

In the case of 3, why would I target ashersky and not PPS?

[Beyond Awesome]

For council to be useful to town or harmful to mafia, it couldn't just be a one night neighborhood.

So theoretically masons inside makes some sense.

Could the QT do anything?

But why are the Masons called "Alice" and "Bob"? Why not just real names? I think codenames only make sense for scum.

The mod came up with the names. Not us.

[Beyond Awesome]

For council to be useful to town or harmful to mafia, it couldn't just be a one night neighborhood.

What makes you think that it wouldn't be a one night deal?

Also, I just thought of something. I think Faust is telling the truth. If he targeted PPS and got nothing back then that sounds actually realistic. PPS could verify he had no dice. The only way that Faust would by lying in this case if he and PPS are partners and the plan was to lynch Ash today by framing him and then mislynch another player the next day.

So, that actually means we have only a couple of possibilities.
1) Either Hydrad or Ash are lying about being stolen from.
2) The Ogre attack stole from either Ash or Hydrad
3) Faust and PPS are scum partners and Faust lied about targeting PPS.

PPE 2

In the case of 3, why would I target ashersky and not PPS?

In the case of 3, you didn't target PPS. You would know Ash is town, target Ash and try to frame him.

[faust]

Okay, so.. say PPS has zero dice, you give PPS dice, he doesn't use them all.. you steal some dice... what does this verify?  How is this distinguishable from PPS not starting with zero dice?

If I had received more dice than I gave him, I would have known he was lying.

How many did you give him?

6. I assumed that as town, he would roll at least two and store one, so the higher the number of dice I get, the more suspicious he is.

[Witherweaver]

For council to be useful to town or harmful to mafia, it couldn't just be a one night neighborhood.

So theoretically masons inside makes some sense.

Could the QT do anything?

But why are the Masons called "Alice" and "Bob"? Why not just real names? I think codenames only make sense for scum.

Because Hydrad  and Ichi were not confirmed town

[faust]

In the case of 3, you didn't target PPS. You would know Ash is town, target Ash and try to frame him.

But I'm not framing him. And also, how does that even frame ashersky?

[faust]

For council to be useful to town or harmful to mafia, it couldn't just be a one night neighborhood.

So theoretically masons inside makes some sense.

Could the QT do anything?

But why are the Masons called "Alice" and "Bob"? Why not just real names? I think codenames only make sense for scum.

Because Hydrad  and Ichi were not confirmed town

So what? You could have just chosen not to reveal your Masonry.

[faust]

The mod came up with the names. Not us.

Yes, and there's a reason he came up with them.

[Witherweaver]

Yes, that was an option.  Another option is to keep identity secret.  Why is that one better?

[faust]

I'm going to share one vital piece of information I didn't consider before:

The Grim Reaper is able to distribute 1-shot Lynchproofs.

Which means it's perfectly possible that BA is lynchproof. We better lynch him today.

Vote: BA

[faust]

I'm done arguing with BA and WW. If anyone else has any questions, feel free to ask.

[Witherweaver]

Okay, so.. say PPS has zero dice, you give PPS dice, he doesn't use them all.. you steal some dice... what does this verify?  How is this distinguishable from PPS not starting with zero dice?

If I had received more dice than I gave him, I would have known he was lying.

How many did you give him?

6. I assumed that as town, he would roll at least two and store one, so the higher the number of dice I get, the more suspicious he is.

So you'd just let 1, 2, 3 be a wash?

PPS, why roll all six dice yesterday when Chairs bad rolls effect them and not today's?

[Witherweaver]

We're not lynching BA today.  Or ever.  He's the only player I know is town.

You'd be much better served actually figuring out who scum is.  Because the more you try to lynch the town players the less convinced I become that you're not scum.

[faust]

We're not lynching BA today.  Or ever.  He's the only player I know is town.

You'd be much better served actually figuring out who scum is.  Because the more you try to lynch the town players the less convinced I become that you're not scum.

I have figured out who scum is. And stop threatening me with OMGUS, it's ridiculous.

[Witherweaver]

I'm going to share one vital piece of information I didn't consider before:

The Grim Reaper is able to distribute 1-shot Lynchproofs.

Which means it's perfectly possible that BA is lynchproof. We better lynch him today.

Vote: BA

Yeah, good call. I buy Lynchproof to protect my partner then announce that the Grim Reaper visited me when I didn't have do.  Brilliant reasoning.

[Witherweaver]

We're not lynching BA today.  Or ever.  He's the only player I know is town.

You'd be much better served actually figuring out who scum is.  Because the more you try to lynch the town players the less convinced I become that you're not scum.

I have figured out who scum is. And stop threatening me with OMGUS, it's ridiculous.

Stop voting for town!  It's ridiculous.

[faust]

WW, even though you're scum, I would prefer if we could be stay within the bounds of the civility pledge.

[Witherweaver]

Okay, so one of {Faust, Ash, Hydrad} is scum?

How do you jump to that conclusion?

I consider the case where the monster attacks during the night and depletes someone's supply without it being announced to us not a likely enough scenario.

What's the other option?

Then what's your more likely scenario? Scum!ash is lying, and it brings him no benefit at all, but only more suspicion, when he could just have stayed quiet? Scum!me is lying without any reason at all? Scum!Hydrad is lying, which again does nothing for him, but instead makes him more suspicious?

Sorry, but I cannot see how you would assume any of these scenarios as likely.

Because the other explanation isn't any good.

Also possible, but even less likely, is an Ash/Hydrad team, where they both claimed to have been attacked to get one lynched to try to give IC status to the other.

[Witherweaver]

WW, even though you're scum, I would prefer if we could be stay within the bounds of the civility pledge.

I am, I'm simply telling you that you're wrong.

[Hydrad]

I'm going to share one vital piece of information I didn't consider before:

The Grim Reaper is able to distribute 1-shot Lynchproofs.

Which means it's perfectly possible that BA is lynchproof. We better lynch him today.

Vote: BA

wasn't the vig power only town only? is the lynchproof usable by anyone?

[Witherweaver]

I'm going to share one vital piece of information I didn't consider before:

The Grim Reaper is able to distribute 1-shot Lynchproofs.

Which means it's perfectly possible that BA is lynchproof. We better lynch him today.

Vote: BA

wasn't the vig power only town only? is the lynchproof usable by anyone?

Yes, no alignment restriction.

[Beyond Awesome]

I am sorry, but PPS rolling six dice is the scummiest thing ever. Even scummier is Faust brushing it off like it is nothing.

I am becoming more and more convinced that Faust and PPS are the scum team.

[faust]

Because the other explanation isn't any good.

Also possible, but even less likely, is an Ash/Hydrad team, where they both claimed to have been attacked to get one lynched to try to give IC status to the other.

And I'm telling you these explanations are even worse.

Ahhhh, I wanted to stop this!

[Beyond Awesome]

Faust if you really are town what you are doing right now is not helpful at all.