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[Beyond Awesome]

Okay, I see what you are saying. You think chairs will screw us with his roll. But, I think a lot of players got extra dice from Faust. So, I doubt we will really need to reroll any other player.

[Beyond Awesome]

But, maybe you're right. Let Ichi decide.

[Witherweaver]

Actually in every case we need an odd.. Im not sure what I was thinking.  I had thought PPS said something different.

[ashersky]

If anyone is The Mentalist, you should claim.

[pingpongsam]

If anyone is The Mentalist, you should claim.

XP flipped the mentalist, right? It surely adds up to what I observed from my night visit and what Faust reported the day before.

[Witherweaver]

I thought we were all claiming.

[Archetype]

I agree with a reroll on chairs.

Looking back at the end of D1, trying to formulate some reads:

I don't see how this isn't town Volt here.  In Greater Idea he stood out to me as quite not-town Volt.. it really seemed like he was fabricating his town play.  I don't see that here, he just seems like regular Volt.  He could have learned from that, but I can't imagine voting for him today.

Would scum be this blatant about their partner? I could see someone like ash doing something like this, but not WW. I have a townread on him for this and his claim.

- I agree that there isn't really anything scummy about voltaire's play in general, however, I do have a scumread on him. Two reasons: 1) he rolled a 5, the lowest of everyone, and 2) The way he acted in regard to his vote on me was a bit strange.

Town points for this, especially considering the back and forth between him and Voltaire earlier in the day. I do find it scummy that despite expressing that read, he didn't end up on his wagon. So a slight scum read on him.

I'm not sure I follow why there's a big Voltaire wagon.  What am I missing?

This reads to me as scum logging onto to see that his partner has a big wagon on him. I don't think I understand what's going on enough with these whole dice changing scores thing to justify giving a scumread to chairs. But that's what I thought in game 1 when he played a 1. He did seem like his normal jokey non-hesistant town!self earlier D1, but I still have a scumread on him.

yuma looks like town, so that's good.

Ichi's most recent posts are also on the townier side.

How about vote: Voltaire? He just feels like scum. Will look at this in more detail after the weekend.

Oh yeah, that's L-2.

Getting a strong town vibe from this post; it just doesn't read as scum trying to bus his partner. Also, while following along in the speccy, I had a townread on faust (which is rare - I always think faust is scum). When I subbed in and reread, I still had a townread on him and voted for him. And with the dice distribution thing, he's easily my top town read.

Vote: Voltaire

That is L-1.

This, however, does read like scum trying to bus their partner. Especially with the follow up post:

Voltaire is way outside his meta. I believe it unlikely he and ashersky are partners so his flip will be largely informative.

I also find him suspicious D1 for his confusion on his own claim. That just screams scum forgetting what they fakeclaimed. Scumread here.

vote: voltaire

ashersky's surprise hammer! I'm leaning scum because I can't think of what town!ash could gain from this. I can see where he'd do it just to see what would happen but, like someone else said, I could see ash doing that as either alignment. Light scumread.

vote: voltaire

Wait, was that the hammer!?

Dude, fake surprise is scummy.

This is not "fake surprise". So you just hammered without giving Voltaire a chance to claim, without warning--this early in the day.

Getting a town vibe from this. Genuinely reads as the model townie freaking out when the day is cut short from a quickhammer. Also been getting just a general townie read from him that I can't really explain.

Sorry two last nooby questions. If 8 votes are reached is the person lynched right away or does he have time for last words to get out of it.

Also f I die but town still wins later does that count as a win for me still?

Hydrad seems sort of oblivious to what's going on. Town read for him.

Sorry two last nooby questions. If 8 votes are reached is the person lynched right away or does he have time for last words to get out of it.

Also f I die but town still wins later does that count as a win for me still?

He dies, but if the thread is not locked immediately, he can still say last words. Typically, from what I have seen from my previous game, we allow the player a chance to claim before lynching them. This is only my second game though.

I believe that if you die then, yes, assuming you are town, if town wins, you also win.

BA seems more concerned with the monster's results than the outcome of the lynch. So, slight town for that.

Vote Count 1.7 - Final

Ichimaru Gin (1): Voltaire
Beyond Awesome (1): Witherweaver
Voltaire (eight): mail-mi, Hydrad, Ichimaru Gin, XerxesPraelor, Beyond Awesome, faust, pingpongsam, ashersky
Witherweaver (1): chairs
pingpongsam (1): yuma
mail-mi (1): liopoil

not voting (1): BoxOfDog

With 14 alive, it took 8 to lynch.

Voltaire has been lynched. He was a Mafia Roleblocker.

I'm not sure where scum would fall here. I'm going to say either closer to the front of the wagon, or off-lynch entirely. Depending upon their previous stances. So,  pingpongsam, liopoil, chairs, and Witherweaver

So, reads total (from most towny to least):

faust
Ichimaru Gin
Hydrad
Beyond Awesome
liopoil
ashersky
Witherweaver
chairs
pingpongsam

PPE: 8

[liopoil]

If everyone rolls 3 dice,there is a .607 chance someone doesn't get a number of the right parity. I would rather reroll them. If nobody does, we go ahead and reroll chairs.

[Beyond Awesome]

If everyone rolls 3 dice,there is a .607 chance someone doesn't get a number of the right parity. I would rather reroll them. If nobody does, we go ahead and reroll chairs.

The thing is it won't matter. After chairs, we need an odd, so even if we reroll him afterwards, his result still will not count, or rather he will invalidate the roll after him if he goes with a low odd roll. It is better to reroll him now or not reroll him at all.

[liopoil]

Oh, that's a good point. If we are sure that rerolling with do this, then I agree, reroll chairs now.

[Hydrad]

Hydrad seems sort of oblivious to what's going on. Town read for him.

Well whatever works i guess

[Archetype]

Hydrad seems sort of oblivious to what's going on. Town read for him.

Well whatever works i guess

Reading it out of context, that seems like an attack on your play. Sorry if it came across that way! What I meant was how you reacted Voltaire's wagon as just another wagon, not a wagon scumpartner.

[ashersky]

If anyone is The Mentalist, you should claim.

XP flipped the mentalist, right? It surely adds up to what I observed from my night visit and what Faust reported the day before.

XP flipped Advisor for the Mentalist.

[Hydrad]

Hydrad seems sort of oblivious to what's going on. Town read for him.

Well whatever works i guess

Reading it out of context, that seems like an attack on your play. Sorry if it came across that way! What I meant was how you reacted Voltaire's wagon as just another wagon, not a wagon scumpartner.

No don't worry I knew it wasn't an attack.

[Hydrad]

So do we really even know what xp's ability did? you get visited by someone but nothing seems to happen? I guess its not that important now unless it has lasting effects.

[chairs]

...did I not understand what's going on? Why did my roll not affect score at all?

also I didn't roll, I played a stored die.

[Hydrad]

...did I not understand what's going on? Why did my roll not affect score at all?

also I didn't roll, I played a stored die.

shoot then we can't reroll your die I don't think.

What we are thinking is that lio's 7 was actually a 6. and since a 6 is a even number your 12 doesn't count.

[Hydrad]

Wait if you havn't rolled yet are you allowed to roll some dice. then gin rerolls your stuff. then you have a possibility of playing a dice instead of from the supply?

I'm not sure if that would work or not. might need Jimmm

[Beyond Awesome]

Wait if you havn't rolled yet are you allowed to roll some dice. then gin rerolls your stuff. then you have a possibility of playing a dice instead of from the supply?

I'm not sure if that would work or not. might need Jimmm

I doubt it. The rules say instead of rolling you may play a stored die.

However, chairs claim provides us with an interesting opportunity. Ichi can attempt to reroll it. If it rerolls then that means chairs is lying and is scum for sure. If it doesn't reroll then this means it is very likely that chairs is town or was preparing ahead by storing a 12 to look townie later on.

[Beyond Awesome]

But, that might be a bad idea because we might be wasting ichi's reroll ability. what do other players think?

[Archetype]

Wait if you havn't rolled yet are you allowed to roll some dice. then gin rerolls your stuff. then you have a possibility of playing a dice instead of from the supply?

I'm not sure if that would work or not. might need Jimmm

I doubt it. The rules say instead of rolling you may play a stored die.

However, chairs claim provides us with an interesting opportunity. Ichi can attempt to reroll it. If it rerolls then that means chairs is lying and is scum for sure. If it doesn't reroll then this means it is very likely that chairs is town or was preparing ahead by storing a 12 to look townie later on.

I could totally see scum!chairs playing his stored die, hoping it doesn't count, have it not be able to have it rerolled by town!Ichimaru, and be given Towncred for his 12 despite it not actually helping the Town. I'll vote:chairs for now.

I think the final say should be I Ichi's because a) it's his role and b) he's my second highest townread. If it were me, I'd use it on someone else. Well, assuming that a stored dice that was played can't be rerolled. If it can, then I say pick chairs.

[faust]

...did I not understand what's going on? Why did my roll not affect score at all?

also I didn't roll, I played a stored die.

chairs, you are the next player to claim. Go ahead, or state that you won't cooperate.

[ashersky]

If anyone is The Mentalist, you should claim.

XP flipped the mentalist, right? It surely adds up to what I observed from my night visit and what Faust reported the day before.

XP flipped Advisor for the Mentalist.

I have a theory on the Mentalist, but waiting to see who claims.

[liopoil]

...did I not understand what's going on? Why did my roll not affect score at all?

also I didn't roll, I played a stored die.

chairs, you are the next player to claim. Go ahead, or state that you won't cooperate.

(you don't need to cooperate, massclaim is silly)

[pingpongsam]

If anyone is The Mentalist, you should claim.

XP flipped the mentalist, right? It surely adds up to what I observed from my night visit and what Faust reported the day before.

XP flipped Advisor for the Mentalist.

I have a theory on the Mentalist, but waiting to see who claims.

My theory is XP was both mentalist and advisor.