Okay, so here is my commentary based on my reread that I posted before going to bed last night.
For chairs, he seems scummy for lurking. I think we can all agree on that. I feel like he has tried to push for a couple of mislynches, and his comment about how he doesn't get the wagon on Volt seems very scummy to me.
For Ash, his D1 behavior is scummy. First, he opens with the 9 which is a scum move considering he played the game before. This causes a few players to play their dice without thinking. Then, we have PPS who has his dice stolen and right off the bat Ash suggests that this is likely a scum ploy and that PPS is making the story up. I find that scummy of Ash to say because that sounds like setting PPS to be a mislynch to me.
Then, there is this whole thing where Ash decides that lio is scum and having reread the exchange, I don't get it. Ash claims volt is partner coaching lio, but it seems that lio thinks volt is scum and volt seems to be pushing for a lio lynch (this gives me towncred for lio) but for Ash I think this makes him seem scummy and actually seems like Ash is Volt's partner in this case. Again, I feel like Ash is trying to set up another mislynch.
Then, on D2 after my dice stolen Ash comes out and votes for me again just like he did PPS. Either he is convinced that scum would steal their own dice or he is working with the mafia thief to use the dice stealing power to frame town players.
However, I do think Ash comes across as towny as he explains later on that he voted for me to see who would join my wagon and that he never expected me to be scum. And, then he also claims to have quick hammered volt because he was expecting scum to play up the thing about him quickhammering. So, I can see where Ash is coming from here, and it is a very interesting strategy.
But, then, Ash becomes scummy again by stating that as scum he usually pushes for the mislynch (it seems he likes to do this as town as well), and then he claims to find Mail-Mi scummy because now on D2, he did roll but after getting attacked and that as scum mail-mi likely knew what was going to happen. I mean sure Mail-Mi might be scum, but I don't know. I guess Ash's reaction is nullish at best.
Then, I find the whole scum slip argument about beastmaster silly. I think it is just a word that Hydrad made up. So, either Ash is trying to force the mislynch here or again, he is looking to see who will join Hydrads wagon to get a better idea of who scum is. I don't really buy the whole scum slip argument though and find Ash's reasoning scummish.
So, based on that, I would say either Ash is a scum player pushing for mislynches or a town player putting bold ideas out there to see if scum bites. I'm not really sure what his meta here is though, but it is somewhat scummy.
Now, with e/yuma, him wanting to mass claim seems a bit scummish because not only does he want us to reveal our roles but also how many dice we have and what values we have stored. Considering that we do later find out he is thief, that does seem like a scummy thing to do. On D2, he claims to have targeted Box. We know that Box was stolen from. However, Box is dead so we can't verify Box was targeted again.
When e takes over, he claims that he is going to roll and store some dice. I find this move towny since we know that e has more dice than other town players. Then, e does not want to steal from PPS to confirm that PPS has no dice left. I know faust finds this scummy, but for me, this is null. But, then, there is the post where e tries to get more info on faust's role and that seems a bit scummy to me
However, for the most part e/yuma has come across as townie in other posts. We can confirm on D3 if there are two dice stealers. If only one person is stolen from, we lynch the hell out of e D3, but I don't see the point on D2. I mean, e might claim to steal from the player who gets NK'd, but if that is the case, we lynch e even if he is telling the truth because having stolen from the player who gets NK'd two days in a row just sounds very convenient.
So, with e, I want to wait until D3 and see what happens with other people's dice getting stolen.
Then, there is lio. I find volt opening with a vote against lio interesting. Then, we have Volt's post where he says town should be spending time on Box, lio, or BA. That post makes me think Volt was wanting to set lio up to be a mislynch. Then, we have lio saying he finds Ichi scummier in terms of low rollers between Ichi and Volt. Mind you, this was when Ichi was taking a lot of heat and Volt not so mucn. Then, volt says he likes Ichi and lio as lynch candidates. Honestly, if lio was volt's partner, volt really went out of his way to distance himself from lio as much as possible.
Then, we have the post where lio says he feels like Volt is trying to get a mislynch against him and then Ash comes out and says lios post is way too calm and collected. After this, more players come out and vote lio and lio voices his frustration that people are just voting for him without offering any reasoning whatsover. Honestly, at this point, it really does seem like Volt was trying to set up a mislynch for lio, and I am seeing lio as being townier and townier. Lio also claims he is against a mass claim so more town points for him there.
Then, most of his D2 actions I have found either townie or null. But, I really have not seen anything scummy at all with lio. The only way that I can see lio to be scum is if volt and him agreed before the day started to pretend to be enemies to each other and push for each others lynches so that if one of them were to go, it would seem the other one was likely to be town. Now, I mean, that is entirely possible. That seems like some crazy scum meta going on there, but I don't really buy it, so I think lio is town.
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