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[faust]

Also Ichi, you were a top scum read of mine day 1 so I don't really find Faust going after you too suspicious.

 I'm still not over newbie scum vibe from BA, by the way.  Reminds me of DD's first scum game.

Look. Though faust attacking me, who is confirmed town in some people's eyes now, is a component of the case on him, it is by no means the only thing.

Furthermore, now that I have semi-IC status, hopefully it is a little more apparent that faust's case on me was wrong.

After tunneling me the entire day, faust just ups and drops that case on me with one sentence. What convinced him to switch to Volt and drop the case he'd been working the entire day? When faust shows up, I want a better answer to that question.

PPE: 1

Voltaire continued acting scummy, you changed to more townie. Also, Voltaire seemed more likely to go through.

[faust]

Although I do agree I would like to have fausts information or have a mass claim or something. I feel like hes the one that knows whats going on and no one else has a clue.

I wouldn't be to unhappy about this but if he is town and scum kills him overnight would we just loos all that valuable information? I don't want to see that happen if its stuff that can help us win the game

Well, yeah, I want to keep information secret. I have information that I believe scum doesn't have, why would I present it to them? If I die, it is enough for you to know I had that information and it led me to believe some of you are town.

[faust]

The Grim Reaper is very famous (in English).

He's also very scummy.

If you are the Grim Reaper, we should lynch you.

Epic scumslip, if that's what happened.

I am not the Grim Reaper. Also, I don't think a role called "The Grim Reaper" is part of this game.

[faust]

What does everyone think about e? AM I the only one who thinks he's super scummy and nonsensical?

[2.71828.....]

I call e's above quote a scumslip if there ever was one.

vote: faust

scumslips don't exist.  But, as I actually think faust is town right now, unvote

And I do like a vote: faust until we get some answers from him

This happens within <4 hours, with no reason for your suddenly changed mind.

I am not going to answer your questions, because I do not think it is in town's best interest to answer them.

Ok, thanks.  That is a good enough answer for me.  I mean, that is basically the same answer I gave you, so it would be hypocritical if I refuse your answer while maintaining my own.

unvote

And now to look into why Ashersky is voting liopoil

[Hydrad]

What does everyone think about e? AM I the only one who thinks he's super scummy and nonsensical?

Hmm currently i would give e a null read. I do not think hes town but at the same time I don't feel hes scum either. Since I have no idea i'm just kinda ignoring him. Its really hard for me to read when he just switched in on day 2 since I can't easily use day 1 to see what he was doing.

[Hydrad]

oh i didn't even realize asher was voting liopol. I thought he was still on BA. interesting.

[Beyond Awesome]

I get a townish vibe from e.

[Beyond Awesome]

Honestly, what I really think is going on is a lot of town against town going on. There are 10 of us left after all and only 2 of them. I think scum is probably just sitting back and enjoying the ride. Chairs for instance has been lurking for pretty much forever.

[liopoil]

Honestly, what I really think is going on is a lot of town against town going on. There are 10 of us left after all and only 2 of them. I think scum is probably just sitting back and enjoying the ride. Chairs for instance has been lurking for pretty much forever.

agree with this for sure. chairs has a V/LA excuse now, but he was lurking before then too.

[2.71828.....]

After rereading liopoil, I just don't see a case against him.  If it is a scummy feeling that you are getting then that is all well and good, but I just don't see the justification for a vote in what he has posted so far.

In other news, while I was rereading I came across this little gem of WIFOM:

I think it is entirely possible scum is avoiding my wagon right now.

At this point his wagon looked like this:
Voltaire (5): mail-mi, Hydrad, Ichimaru Gin, XerxesPraelor, Beyond Awesome
Not voltaire (7): faust, Witherweaver, yuma/e, ashersky, liopoil, pingpongsam, chairs

Personally, I think this is a better rubric of scum on/off the wagon than the final vote count.  At this point in the game, there was absolutely no reason to believe that Voltaire was imminently close to getting lynched and I think he could very well have been trying to cover for a partner who was in fact on his wagon.

So given that, we now have better odds of finding scum if we look on-wagon as opposed to looking off-wagon.

And of all those people, I am inclined toward vote: BA

[liopoil]

there is no case on me, he just finds my posts scummy. I don't mind that, but I'd rather he be more helpful in scumhunting... he has been very unhelpful today, and also yesterday. At least we can count on him to hammer, right?

however, I'm not sure I agree with you about that volt post. Everything he says must be taken considering that he knew he would flip scum, if not on D1, eventually. I think he just didn't want to suspect the people on-wagon and instead wanted to suspect those off. Because his buddies were bussing? Well, maybe... but I mean, Voltaire more than likely bussed at least a little bit.

I have no problem with you voting for BA, but that's not a good reason to do it.

[Hydrad]

Here is why I'm going to Vote: BA

I think hes the mafia beastmaster who controls what the monsters do. On day 1 he rolled a 12 and I'm guessing wasn't able to reroll himself.

He also jumped on the wagon right in the middle as I think is a really nice time for scum to jump on. Also with that Volt quote right when he jumps on makes me suspicious even more.

On day 2 he rolled first and rolled a 5. He said his dice had been stolen so I sort of understand his panic of trying to roll right away but it also seems scummy.

Just overall I guess i've got a scummy vibe. My biggest fear is that scum is framing him with purposly not rerolling the 12 and stuff but even though there is that chance I still think hes the most scummy person here.

[ashersky]

vote: hydrad

[liopoil]

vote: hydrad

way to discourage him from taking a stance. Also, you really need to explain the stuff you do, man.

[EFHW]

Vote Count 2.7

Beyond Awesome (3): chairs, 2.71828....., Hydrad
chairs (2): mail-mi, Beyond Awesome
pingpongsam (2): liopoil, Witherweaver
2.71828..... (1): faust
faust (2): XerxesPraelor, Ichimaru Gin
Hydrad (1): ashersky

not voting (1): pingpongsam

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Evening begins on July 9 at 11pm forum time.
Day 1 ends on July 11 at 11pm forum time.

Target: 60
Score: 64

[ashersky]

vote: hydrad

way to discourage him from taking a stance. Also, you really need to explain the stuff you do, man.

No one likes these arguments, so I don't make them, but, scumslip.

"Beastmaster" is way too specific not to be the actual role name, which he only knows because heis scum.

[liopoil]

you don't make them, huh?

IIRC the term beastmaster was used earlier, I could be wrong though.

[ashersky]

you don't make them, huh?

IIRC the term beastmaster was used earlier, I could be wrong though.

Anymore, I meant.

[ashersky]

you don't make them, huh?

IIRC the term beastmaster was used earlier, I could be wrong though.

But who uses beastmaster?  It's so random and specific.  They aren't called beasts.

[Beyond Awesome]

you don't make them, huh?

IIRC the term beastmaster was used earlier, I could be wrong though.

Who brought up the term earlier?

[Beyond Awesome]

But if reroller is town and thief is town, and destroy-half-supply-rounded-up-or-maybe-down (no one else thinks that's strange?) is a scum ability, what's the other one?  Monster control?  Maybe , but it could be factional ability, or random.

Yeah that is a good question. It'd be interesting if it was like Mafia Beastman or something. But from who they've attacked, I feel like it may be more random. Especially since it says "some level of control" it doesn't sound like they can neccesarily pinpoint attacks--though it does look like they can choose when the attacks happen.

I feel like some level of control might be that they don't know the power the monster will have? Becuase it's hitting pretty good targets.

Actually if BA was the beast master and wasn't allowed to target himself that would explain why the 12 stayed

Guess you're right. Hydrad uses the term two days ago as well.

[ashersky]

So only he's used it.

[liopoil]

control scum has over the beast

this too. ichi used "mafia beastman" as well.

[ashersky]

Other scum reads, right?

Look at the monster list...only the dragon could be a "beast" and that's a stretch.