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Re: RMM16: Dice Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #750 on: July 02, 2014, 03:11:51 am »

I have lots of dice, so I'll roll last.
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Re: RMM16: Dice Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #751 on: July 02, 2014, 04:18:00 am »

I think we should mass-claim. I believe that most PRs we have are easily confirmable, and we already have an idea which PRs scum has, so they can't really claim a real role and have to claim VT. We can coordinate ourselves and win this.

I targeted Xerxes tonight.

I reread Voltaire during the night, these are the results:

#79 votes Hydrad for not having played with him. He does that always, so null.
#196 Town read on XP, unclear on ash. Doesn't want to lynch PPS. Town read on ash.
#199 Ichi suggests Voltaire is town
#220 Scum read on WW and Ichi. Town read on BA BA is entirely possible as a partner.
#226 mail-mi votes Voltaire.
#229 mail-mi pushes Voltaire further. mail-mi is probably town from that interaction.
#232 Voltaire votes Ichi
#235 Voltaire leans town on mail-mi. Looks like buddying.
#237 Ichi wants people to suspect Voltaire. Would he do that as his partner? Probably not.
#245 Witherweaver doesn't want to lynch Voltaire for rolling low. All people defending low rolls are actually more scummy now.
#310 pushes liopoil.
#316 feels "really good" about his liopoil vote. lio is definitely less likely scum by this.
#344 wants to rethink BA.
#354 suspects Box, liopoil, BA. 1 scum among these three?
#536 Ichi thinks Voltaire is scum.
#548 Hydrad votes Voltaire
#551 Ichi votes Voltaire
#552 Xerxes votes Voltaire
#580 BA does a reread, ends up voting Voltaire Scummiest Voltaire vote so far.
#590 Voltaire thinks BA is town
#594 Voltaire is back on Ichi Ichi is getting more and more unlikely to be Volt's partner.
#609 Witherweaver "I don't see how this isn't town Volt" Super scummy, trying to save his mate
#623 liopoil thinks Voltaire is scummy, but votes for mail-mi. Could be scum tactis.
#644 yuma defends low-rolling and thinks people pressuring Ichi/Volt are scummy. This sure doesn't look good.
#661 PPS put Voltaire to L-1
#667 ash's hammer Really likely town. I think ash has had enough of such gambits in Philosopher's Mafia.
#671 Ichi attacks ash's hammer. Townie. Scum wouldn't do that, knowing that the flip would incriminate them.
#674 liopoil: "Stupid move, Voltaire better be scum" This looks more scummy.

Summary:

townish interactions: mail-mi, Ichi, ashersky, PPS, Hydrad
scummish interactions: WW, yuma, BA
nullish interactions: Box, chairs, liopoil, Xerxes

I really want to lynch off-wagon today though, I think there's at least one scum to be found there. Vote: yuma
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Re: RMM16: Dice Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #752 on: July 02, 2014, 06:34:42 am »

Faust, who visited you N0?

Yuma is the one person I lean strong town on. I do not give ashersky a pass for hammering. His no comment hammer looked very cred grabby. He did hammer so null for now. Still have to reread with the knowledge volt was scum.

I am in a tough spot with dice. Really I needed to be the first to roll. I can either play stored and be out if dice completely or roll and play the one die remaining in my supply.
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Re: RMM16: Dice Mafia (Night 1)
« Reply #753 on: July 02, 2014, 06:42:24 am »

By the way, the dice stealer is by far our biggest threat. I really, really hope we lynch him today.

I targeted Mail-Mi. I can give my reason if you guys like.

These two posts both read disingenuous to me.
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Re: RMM16: Dice Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #754 on: July 02, 2014, 06:47:49 am »

Never mind. Thinking about it, I guess it means the attack on mail-mi has invalidated his rolls.

Vote: BA

What do you mean, "the attack on mail-mi"? Do you know something we don't?
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Re: RMM16: Dice Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #755 on: July 02, 2014, 06:48:56 am »

Faust, who visited you N0?

Yuma is the one person I lean strong town on. I do not give ashersky a pass for hammering. His no comment hammer looked very cred grabby. He did hammer so null for now. Still have to reread with the knowledge volt was scum.

I am in a tough spot with dice. Really I needed to be the first to roll. I can either play stored and be out if dice completely or roll and play the one die remaining in my supply.
I bet the same person as visited you.

I think you should play your stored die, if it hasn't been played already - the person who targeted me last night should target, and you can get dice that way.
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Re: RMM16: Dice Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #756 on: July 02, 2014, 06:49:09 am »

By the way, mail-mi it says you were attacked this turn in the opening day post. Do you know what happened?

Nevermind, just saw this. Unvote for now.
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Re: RMM16: Dice Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #757 on: July 02, 2014, 06:49:52 am »

Faust, who visited you N0?

Yuma is the one person I lean strong town on. I do not give ashersky a pass for hammering. His no comment hammer looked very cred grabby. He did hammer so null for now. Still have to reread with the knowledge volt was scum.

I am in a tough spot with dice. Really I needed to be the first to roll. I can either play stored and be out if dice completely or roll and play the one die remaining in my supply.
I bet the same person as visited you.

I think you should play your stored die, if it hasn't been played already - the person who targeted me last night should target, and you can get dice that way.

This is already super close to mass-claiming territory. Why don't we do it already?
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Re: RMM16: Dice Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #758 on: July 02, 2014, 06:50:59 am »

Yeah we'd need the 12, 9, 8, 6, and either 3 & 1 or the 4. Sucks even more that mail-mi's numbers don't count, yet can't be used by anyone else. I guess he is pretty much an IC now though, unless mafia had the troll attack one of its own members (which is possible).

Is it confirmed that we can't play mail-mi's dice?
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Re: RMM16: Dice Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #759 on: July 02, 2014, 06:52:09 am »

This is actually making me suspect faust and mail-mi - mail-mi played his dice despite getting hit, using up his stored dice, and mail-mi is such a good choice to hit that I wonder how scum knew who to choose. Mail-mi is absolutely not an IC.

How does this make you suspect me?

...

Wait, I know.
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Re: RMM16: Dice Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #760 on: July 02, 2014, 06:54:18 am »

Never mind. Thinking about it, I guess it means the attack on mail-mi has invalidated his rolls.

Vote: BA

What do you mean, "the attack on mail-mi"? Do you know something we don't?

At the beginning of the day, the mods posted that mail-mi was attacked. I did only notice it when BA pointed it out and I think scum is more likely to know it's there, so I'm also fine with:

vote: BA

Because we don't want to inform scum about who has the PRs, but I do think it's useful for town to know what powers exist.

PPE: Actually, I just remembered something - not suspicious anymore.
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Re: RMM16: Dice Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #761 on: July 02, 2014, 06:56:07 am »

Alright, so this is what we do: We mass claim. The order will be this:

yuma
Witherweaver
Beyond Awesome
chairs
liopoil
Hydrad
Ichimaru Gin
ashersky
pingpongsam
faust
XerxesPraelor
mail-mi

We claim: Role, who we targeted, what happened to us. Does anyone have a problem with this?
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Re: RMM16: Dice Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #762 on: July 02, 2014, 06:58:29 am »

Faust, who visited you N0?

Yuma is the one person I lean strong town on. I do not give ashersky a pass for hammering. His no comment hammer looked very cred grabby. He did hammer so null for now. Still have to reread with the knowledge volt was scum.

I am in a tough spot with dice. Really I needed to be the first to roll. I can either play stored and be out if dice completely or roll and play the one die remaining in my supply.

If the die in your supply has a value that has not yet been played, you might consider claiming it.
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Re: RMM16: Dice Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #763 on: July 02, 2014, 07:01:37 am »

My stored die value has not yet been played. If I do play it I must discard my last remaining supply die. At that point all of my dice will be exhausted. The alternative is to chance rolling the supply die. If it is an already played number I think I can still play my stored die if I am not mistaken. I need someone to confirm that before I attempt it, though.
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Re: RMM16: Dice Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #764 on: July 02, 2014, 07:02:39 am »

I do. The role that targeted me is very good, and we really don't want the person to be killed. If we mass-claim, and there are no doctors, then we'll lose the use of it for the rest of the game. If that's you, and you still think it's a good idea, then I'm on board. Otherwise, I think we should give the PR at least one more night to target PPS or someone else who needs dice.
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Re: RMM16: Dice Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #765 on: July 02, 2014, 07:03:17 am »

Also, no one else roll until I get my roll in due to the limiting circumstances of my ability to roll a worthwhile number.
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Re: RMM16: Dice Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #766 on: July 02, 2014, 07:03:42 am »

Ceres, do you know who targeted Faust N0?
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Re: RMM16: Dice Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #767 on: July 02, 2014, 07:04:06 am »

Xerxes, not Ceres,
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Re: RMM16: Dice Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #768 on: July 02, 2014, 07:06:12 am »

As I understand the rules I can roll and ignore my supply die and then play my stored die whereas if I outright play the stored die I lose the supply die to discard so it seems prudent to roll the supply die and see what I get.
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Re: RMM16: Dice Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #769 on: July 02, 2014, 07:08:29 am »

Awaiting confirmation of the above in my QT.
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Re: RMM16: Dice Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #770 on: July 02, 2014, 07:12:48 am »

I was wrong. I can either roll and play the supply die or I can play the stored die and discard the supply. With that knowledge I now play my stored die.

Play: 8

Also, now that is done I can say that on D1 I rolled three dice and all of them turned up 8 which i find evidence of possible tampering.
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Re: RMM16: Dice Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #771 on: July 02, 2014, 07:14:32 am »

Depends what you mean by targeted. I don't know who visited him.
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Re: RMM16: Dice Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #772 on: July 02, 2014, 07:18:13 am »

So five players left, 30 points left to reach. Noone else roll, I want to check something first.
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Re: RMM16: Dice Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #773 on: July 02, 2014, 07:19:56 am »

Depends what you mean by targeted. I don't know who visited him.
Yeah, wrong use of words. Visited was the correct word. Let me rephrase the question. Did you know before D2 that Faust had been visited N0?
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Re: RMM16: Dice Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #774 on: July 02, 2014, 07:24:21 am »

<b>Play: 12</b>
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